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  1. I like how they express happiness and one of fishies frequently opens and closes mouth a lot when he is excited like trying to communicate something to me. I saw them a few times yawning. Now that is a real cuteness!

    Yawning in fish is a sign of severe discomfort, often parasites.

    If you don't want to follow the advice of the very experienced and knowledgeable members of the board, then you should buy some good books that have been written by real experts. These two are excellent:



    "Yawning" (and gasping near the surface) can also indicate low oxygen levels, which is very likely to be the case in your current 4.7 gallon set-up. Goldfish have higher oxygen needs than many other fish. Most members here use airstones to add surface movement, which oxygenates the water.

    As an immediate measure, you should get 2 Sterilite (or other food-safe tubs) that are at least 76 litres each. They're cheap and would go a long way towards helping your fish, while you save up for a tank big enough for both of them.

    You will also need one air pump, two airstones, airline tubing, two valves that prevent backflow, and a T-valve (if the pump has only one outlet). It sounds like a lot but it will cost you the equivalent of about $60 in US money total, and it's certainly worth it for the sake of your goldfish. You'll need another filter, too, and you should add some media from the old one when you set it up.

    Please listen to what the other members here have said, and don't be afraid to ask if you need more help. Your goldfish are helpless and totally dependent on you for proper care; they can't just sneak out of the house and find someone else to live with (like cats can). Good luck. :)

  2. A trickle filter system doesn't require any electricity, unless I gravely misunderstand it. It's a big container of water that drips into the pond, and then in the pond is a fixture that makes the pond leak at the same rate.

    Here's a link explaining it:


    I don't know what other stuff you need to do, hopefully someone more experienced can help you.

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    I LOVE this! I need one! I love it because it implies that goldfish are floating around willy-nilly, in danger of being trampled on or hit by cars and bicycles! (This concept really appeals to my finals-related sleepy-sillies right now.)

  4. flukes I understand potentially always being present, but ich always being present sounds like an aquatic myth to me (but perhaps someone can correct me on that). Because in order for ich to survive it would need to go through all the stages of it's little parasitic life right? So we would be able to see it on the fish if it were present right? :idont

    Yes, I think you're right. From what I've read, ich can't go dormant for very long at all; it has to live on the fish and continue its life cycle at a pretty much constant rate. Whereas flukes can remain alive and present in a fish without really hurting it, and without multiplying, because individual flukes live a lot longer than ich, I think. I wish I could give you the specific articles.

    How long should Thea keep dosing Prazi and salt in a case like this?

    And is there any proven way, in a relatively closed system (not a pond), to treat enough to completely obliterate flukes (in a way safe to the fish, of course)?

  5. Ugh! What do they have to gain from spreading misinformation that will harm fish?? I don't get it. I am complaining.

    The only brand whose tank advertizing is responsible, that I have noticed, is Aqueon. All their small tanks (and most of their large tanks) picture reasonable communities of small tropical species.

  6. I have heard of platys being benefitted by constant salt. But of course they shouldn't be kept with goldfish.

    I sent them a PM with the link to this thread. She did mention (and I think it's a she :) ) that her tank's PH is 7.2. Hopefully she'll join here, or at least follow your helpful advice. More details from her would definitely help in helping the moors. Thank you!!

    Hopefully this person will come here and see the light of proper goldfish care, so thanks for telling her! :)

    • A friend who kept a moor in 1.5 gallons of never-changed, untreated tap water looks down on me for the time (cycling) and space (45 gallons) I'm dedicating to 3 goldfish. Like, I could fit 45 in there, right?? What's my problem??

    • A cousin unfriended me on Facebook after I messaged him, very politely expressing my condolences for the recent deaths of his bowl-kept commons, telling him that I also killed my first fish accidentally, and that most people do, and summarizing the basic requirements if he gets goldfish again. I was so polite! I would've wanted someone to tell me!

    • Another cousin told me how funny it was that I accidentally fatally poisoned goldfish a few months ago. He's only 12 but I'm worried he's going to be a psychopath or something because he thinks stuff like that's genuinely hilarious with any animal, and he takes abysmal care of his own. He has starved multiple REPTILES to death through apathy (and of course his parents are just as bad because they buy him living creatures and don't prevent him from killing them), and I am the only reason his somehow still-living painted turtle (in a tiny plastic pet carrier) gets any water changes at all. I am also the only reason it has a rock to climb onto, rather than being trapped in water 24/7.

    • My mother and sister understand, I think.

  7. Well, I have a 4 foot x 2 foot x 2foot tank, with common goldfish - and they are INCREDIBLY intelligent.

    What they do, every morning when they know it's feeding time, is the 'hit' the theremometer (sp?) so as that it makes a 'click' noise against the glass to get my attention.

    They do this only in the morning before feeding - they msut think if they do that, it gets them food.

    Has anyone heard of animal superstitions? The link is about Skinner's pigeon experiment, but this has been documented in pigs, too (I think by Temple Grandin).


    Someone should document superstition behaviors in goldfish. Maybe it will replace the popular imagination's "3 second memory" lie that leads to abysmal care for so many goldfish! :D

  8. I assume you're wanting to fatten up your fantails, right?

    If they're young and small now, I think they should get more rotund on their own as they get older and grow naturally. All goldfish start out as skinny little fry that pretty much all look the same regardless of breed. Telescope, bubble eye, and celestial fry start out looking like all the rest, then their eyes grow out, celestials' turn up, and bubble eyes' eyes grow bubbles. Younger fish of ALL fancy breeds are closer to the skinny fry body frame, then gradually adopt their more plump adult shape, no overfeeding required. Ryukins get humps, wenned fish get (visible) wens, pearlscales get really really spherical, etc.

    Everyone, feel free to correct me if I'm wrong, my response comes from what I've read, and from seeing lots of fish of different ages.

  9. If you do choose to euthanize her, the clove oil (NO vodka) method dnalex posted above, in my experience, is the gentlest method imaginable of euthanasia. They drift off to sleep peacefully, without showing any fear, and then with the overdose they die peacefully in their sleep. I wish the same option was available for mammals (including me, if I were terminally ill and in uncontrollable pain). I'm glad your weimaraner had a relatively peaceful natural death, you didn't have to take him to some scary vet (or have some scary vet make a housecall) that would have made his final moments uncomfortable.

    I can't tell you if Elaine is feeling pain. If she eats, she still has some capacity for happiness, since eating is the ultimate goldfish pleasure. That'd be really awesome if she recovered and was one of those goldfish who got to live to be 20 or so, but she may not. Like dnalex said, of course, it is entirely your decision, and I support you in it too, and you have my sympathy.

  10. Do what feels right. You know Elaine well, you will know when she doesn't want to hang on any longer.

    Here are my longwinded euthanasia stories, I hope the input puts your mind at ease to do what's best for you and your fish.

    I accidentally poisoned my goldfish a couple of months ago. They suffered for way too long. Two died clearly in pain, and I euthanized the third when it was clear she wasn't going to make it either. I was too hopeful and I regret that I didn't euthanize them sooner.

    On the other hand, my family had a wonderful adopted labrador for about a year. He had had some sort of head injury that made him have the worst seizures anyone in my family had ever seen or heard of. He looked possessed by particularly brutal demons, bashing his head repeatedly into the floor, scratching his face, but seemingly had no memory of them after they occured.

    We quickly put him on epilepsy medication, which kept the seizures under control pretty well, but months later they reappeared. We upped the dose. He was great for a month or so more. Then the seizures reappeared, worse than ever. The vet said any more medication was going to damage his liver, but the cumulative violence from the seizure episodes had caused more brain damage, which would get worse no matter what we did. We put him to sleep, he was happy until his last day.

  11. Goldfish = bowl

    Koi = pond

    Is the equation most people in this country do.

    Just tell him you were wrong and they are In fact koi. Then you can laugh at him in his ignorant bliss.

    Haha, I wouldn't want to encourage the class's belief that goldfish get to be like 2" max and can't possibly live in ponds. And I know that a lot of people here in the dorms already keep goldfish in bowls. Several years ago, a girl I knew here kept a moor in a 1.5 gallon thing in never-changed tap water for over a year somehow and I never had the guts to question it. :(

    I assume most people here, like the professor, assume that the courtyard goldfish are koi so:

    I'm going to type up a sign and stick it on the window into the courtyard, saying that they are in fact goldfish, the same type of goldfish you can buy for 15 cents as inch long feeders. That this type of goldfish really needs 20+ gallons each, not bowls. With a little link to Koko's at the bottom. Maybe someone will take note. :)

  12. He really is. He is the only professor, in five semesters of being an undergraduate, that I have genuinely disliked. The goldfish comment is nothing, really, compared to how he makes fun of students when they do equations up on the board (regardless of whether they're correct).

    Ha. I complain but I'm so happy to be in college.

  13. Today, one of my professors mentioned a building on campus that has a courtyard in the center. He expressed happiness that there were koi in the pond there. I politely said they were actually goldfish, which is absolutely true.* He sneered and looked disgusted. "Goldfish. Ugh."

    So, he thought they were magnificent fish, until their true identity was revealed. How sad. Our poor misunderstood campus goldfish. :(

    *There are about 8 of them, they're all orange commons, and most of them are about a foot long.

  14. I've heard of goldfish being used for mosquito control way more than mollies (which I've never heard of being used for that in ponds).

    Ranchers supposedly used to (some probably still do) keep goldfish in livestocks' water troughs (!) to eat mosquito egg rafts. Mosquito eggs and larvae are, in fact, among the most widely recommended "traditional" goldfish foods; my old piece of crap "Traditional Chinese" goldfish care book recommends them as the primary food for young goldfish.

    On the contrary, I'm afraid that your goldfish will be good for molly control! They eat pretty much anything that will fit in their mouths sooner or later. D:

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