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  1. Yeah it's been hard to tell if the shallow water helps. I haven't been able to leave it shallow for too long, because the ammonia builds up pretty quickly (it becomes like 3-5 gallons of water, and Gus is a pretty big fish...). So pretty much only when I'm at home and I'm able to change the water frequently. It seems like he stays on his back/side mostly regardless of the water depth. But - I have been noticing something I thought was interesting lately. Sometimes he hangs out near the bubbler, and seems to eat the air? And sometimes he tries to get to the top to take a gulp (and sometimes fails =(). I don't really know how the swim bladder works - is it possible he needs to refill it with air or something? So maybe the shorter depth would help, if it's easier to get to the surface. If it doesn't improve, we can try the large shallow tub you linked to. Man he's hungry though. I tried helping him to the top so he could gulp, but he just kept trying to eat my hand instead. I thought 1% of body weight was a lot of food...
  2. Huh that link is super interesting. The tank is just a 10 gallon, so this one is maybe...about the long end of a piece of paper, I think, so maybe 11 inches. I'll try lowering the water some - I can't see that it'd hurt. I'm changing the water about 3 times a day right now, so I'll see how much worse the ammonia gets. Otherwise, I'm taking the epsom down to zero (by not replacing it during water changes). Gus really seems active, and super hungry, which is good. Just the upside down thing going on now... Thanks! (And thanks for the info on the epsom duration - just wanted to understand).
  3. Here's an update: http://i1194.photobucket.com/albums/aa368/dancingclown/Gus_62715%20001_zps5bdsvlwr.jpg http://i1194.photobucket.com/albums/aa368/dancingclown/Gus_62715%20002_zpschbk0bzh.jpg Feeling good about the scales. Don't see any sticking up. Gus is still upside down though. His poos look good, and he's very hungry and active when I go to feed him. But otherwise he sits on the bottom upside down when I have the lights off, and can't permanently right himself up when he's swimming. We've been keeping the temperature around 80 F. Any ideas about additional actions or whether to keep the epsom at this level (1 tsp per 5 gallons) given his swim bladder issues? I am curious: what happened so that we don't mind leaving in epsom in longer at higher concentrations any more? Thanks!
  4. Hehe yeah... I've tried not to say anything out loud so I don't jinx anything... . Do you happen to know what to do about the epsom? I know Jared said something above about the duration and amount of epsom, and reevaluating that - do we start reducing it now that the scales are starting to flatten? Thanks! Edit: Managed to miss that... Thanks, I'll keep it in a few more days.
  5. Hi all, So...good news (I think)! Gus's scales look like they've gone down quite a bit, almost all the way, I'd say, although it's a little hard to tell when he's upside down: For reference 6/16/15 (posted already above): http://i1194.photobucket.com/albums/aa368/dancingclown/Gus_61615%20002_zpsmx1pnhng.jpg 6/22/15 (new): http://i1194.photobucket.com/albums/aa368/dancingclown/Gus_62415%20004_zps1on5kcxw.jpg 6/23/15: http://i1194.photobucket.com/albums/aa368/dancingclown/Gus_62415%20010_zps2ak5v2xc.jpg 6/24/15: http://i1194.photobucket.com/albums/aa368/dancingclown/Gus_62415%20017_zps4g272hgs.jpg It is a little scary how effective the MMs were (relative to the other methods we tried)... He's still upside-down though. His balance *may* be getting a little better; he can halfway right himself to get at food, but can't stay upright. He also is staying off the bottom less than before (so sort of bottom-sitting, but upside-down). Ammonia hasn't gotten above 0.25. I know we do the full 14 days for MMs - what should we do about the epsom? How long do we keep it at 1 tsp per 5? I'm hesitant to get too excited, but the scales really do look better. I'm not sure about swim bladder damage, if it's permanent, and what we do about that... But I figure I should ask about the epsom first. Again, thanks to all of you so much, and to Lisa for the MMs... =).
  6. Ok we are at 1 teaspoon per 5 gallons epsom, no metro in the water, and started the metro meds. Many thanks to Lisa for her help and generosity! We'll update when anything changes. Thank you all again!
  7. Thanks for answering my questions. We're just worried, I think. I guess I am also not sure if the scales are going down, looking at him with better lighting, and given the fact the view is from his belly: http://i1194.photobucket.com/albums/aa368/dancingclown/Gus_61915%20005_zpsiyi1t5qd.jpg http://i1194.photobucket.com/albums/aa368/dancingclown/Gus_61915%20003_zpsbliipr6l.jpg I'll go check my messages now.
  8. Thanks so much for the help. I sent you a message, Lisa. I believe we would need 213*0.01*14 = 29.82 grams of Metro Meds. We will up the epsom to 1 teaspoon per 5. I also had a question regarding another 14 days of MM: we've already done 14+ of metronidazole in the water. Do we need to worry about overmedicating (damage to liver, kidneys, etc.)? For example, a couple posts back we were warned about overdosing the metro. I'll also take two more pictures and post them. The scales look better, although he is still upside down. I wonder if his swim bladder is just permanently damaged though...
  9. We have metro powder and solient green gel food. Rather than feeding 3 year old MetroMeds, can we make our own medicated gel food? We were actually feeding medicated gel food before, but was told to stop and just have metro powder in the water. Is it safe to feed both medicated food and have metro in the water?
  10. Our MMs are opened. I could only find a receipt from 2012. I'm not sure if I'm just missing a receipt or if they're really that old. We're currently at 1/2 teaspoon per 5 gallons. About going up - is there a maximum time you're supposed to use epsom for? I thought I remembered something like that...? Or is this not the situation where it is relevant? Thanks!
  11. Sorry, on my way out the door, but first guess I'd think the metro meds are least more than one year old. (I need to check purchase records or medication records to try and detective out an exact date, when I'm back home). His tail used to be bent, but not so much any more. It's also hard to tell if the scales are coming down. They're definitely still up, but we can't tell if maybe less than before. He's so hungry... One thing I'll note is we've been on metro + epsom for more than 14 days now. Thank you again.
  12. Here are two updated pictures: http://i1194.photobucket.com/albums/aa368/dancingclown/Gus_61615%20002_zpsmx1pnhng.jpg http://i1194.photobucket.com/albums/aa368/dancingclown/Gus_61615%20003_zpse5lr5lds.jpg Metro and Kana are the only meds we have on hand, besides old metro-meds and old medi-gold, although we can try and get whatever we need. We have continued metro and epsom. Gus is still very hungry, his poos look good, but he's still upside down and his scales are still out. I am not sure what is happening here. Thank you for the help =). We have had fish with dropsy before, but I don't think any of them survived this long.
  13. Gus is not doing well... His appetite is still good, but his dropsy is worse and his spine is curved to one side. We stopped the Kanaplex, but still giving him Epson and Metro powder in the water. Today is day 14 of meds. Can we continue the Metro and Epson?
  14. We want some advice-- at the end of tomorrow, Gus will have completed 12 days of Kanaplex and Metro powder in the water. His scales have gotten worse, and he spends all his time belly-up. However, his appetite has not changed (he always seems starving and begs when we come near the tank). Given we're nearing the end of the antibiotic treatment, and Gus has gotten worse, not better, what do we do? Can we extend Kana past the 12 days? Do we try another kind of medication? Is epson salt ok for 12 days?
  15. Ok, upped to 1/2 tsp epsom per 5 gallons as suggested above. Video here: https://youtu.be/htWsgA7fzLI Sorry, we had trouble getting the gill cover up =(, but the belly feels soft, not like the example video you posted above. No bounce. He's still hungry and looking for food, but floating upside down and can't right himself up. Not sure what we can do... =(. Thanks again for the help, and kind words!
  16. Epsom is currently at 1/4 tsp per 5. The metro directions say 1-2 scoops (each about 100 mg) per 10 gallons. We're currently at 2 scoops per 10 gallons. Thanks for the help. It's the Seachem blue bottle metro and kana. Edit: We're currently at 2 scoops per 10 gallons. We were at a lower dosage (1 scoop per 10 gallons) before, when we were also feeding the medicated gel food.
  17. Thanks for the help. We've stopped the medicated food, and have the metro in the water at 180 mg per 10 gallons (the recommended). Gus is currently floating upside down, and cannot right himself up =(. The room is dark, and we'll attempt to reduce the water changes, although I assume we should still change if the ammonia increases. We'll feed much less to try and stop the ammonia increases though. His poos have actually looked quite healthy. Very green, full, and constantly pooing. But the upside-down and raised scales have gotten worse, I think. We'll video the stomach and gills, but later tonight when we have 2 pairs of hands - is that okay? The gills part is scary... Thanks again. Edit: Oh a question I forgot. Kana and epsom are still in at the same quantities. This is day 7. Is there a maximum amount of time for those two medications?
  18. We're currently having trouble finding the Koko's post with the gel food recipe. There is this one: http://thegab.org/Articles/MedicatedGelFood.html, but we recall double checking with a Koko's post as well. I'll keep looking. In any case, if we have the wrong proportion of metronidazole, it would definitely be helpful to know... Thanks!
  19. Q: I'm a bit confused on your Repashy feeding. What do you mean you're feeding 2.5-5g of Repashy? A: Yes, we're feeding approximately 2.5 - 5 grams of medicated replashy (soilent green) per day. Q: And how did you calculate how much metro to add to the gel food? A: We used 3 parts water and 1 part replashy, the weighed the food. Then we calculated how many grams of metro powder to add to the food such that the metro was 1% of the total weight. E.g. the food weighed 99g and the metro powder weighed 1g, so that the metro powder was 1% of the total food weight of 100g. Edit: Sorry, if you mean how did we get the 1% number, it was from a post on Koko's. Trying to dig it up now. Thanks!
  20. I'll do one for the main tank, one for the quarantine tank, although Gus hasn't been in the main tank for 6 days now. Main tank: Test Results for the Following: * Ammonia Level(Tank) 0 * Nitrite Level(Tank) 0 * Nitrate level(Tank)10 * Ammonia Level(Tap) 0 * Nitrite Level(Tap)0 * Nitrate level(Tap)0 * Ph Level, Tank (If possible, KH, GH and chloramines) 7.6. * Ph Level, Tap (If possible, KH, GH and chloramines)7.6 Other Required Info: * Brand of test-kit used and whether strips or drops? API * Water temperature? 80 F * Tank size (how many gals.) and how long has it been running? 45 gallons * What is the name and "size of the filter"(s)? 2 Aquaclear 110 * How often do you change the water and how much? 80%, 1-2 a week * How many days ago was the last water change and how much did you change? 80%, 6 days ago * How many fish in the tank and their size? Right now 1, maybe 6 inches body * What kind of water additives or conditioners? Prime * What do you feed your fish and how often? Pro-gold, repashy, 2 times daily * Any new fish added to the tank? No * Any medications added to the tank? No * List entire medication/treatment history for fish and tank. Please include salt, Prazi, PP, etc and the approximate time and duration of treatment. Prazi multiple times, probably 4 months last. * Any unusual findings on the fish such as "grains of salt," bloody streaks, frayed fins or fungus? Raised scales on Gus, please see pictures below. * Any unusual behavior like staying at the bottom, not eating, etc.? Actually very active, eating, but starting to float upside down. Quarantine tank: Test Results for the Following: * Ammonia Level(Tank) 0.25 average * Nitrite Level(Tank) 0 * Nitrate level(Tank) 0 * Ammonia Level(Tap) 0 * Nitrite Level(Tap)0 * Nitrate level(Tap)0 * Ph Level, Tank (If possible, KH, GH and chloramines) 7.6 * Ph Level, Tap (If possible, KH, GH and chloramines)7.6 Other Required Info: * Brand of test-kit used and whether strips or drops? API * Water temperature? 80-82 F * Tank size (how many gals.) and how long has it been running? 10 gallons 6 days * What is the name and "size of the filter"(s)? None * How often do you change the water and how much? 50-75%, 4 times a day on average * How many days ago was the last water change and how much did you change? 50%, right now * How many fish in the tank and their size? Right now 1, maybe 6 inches body * What kind of water additives or conditioners? Prime * What do you feed your fish and how often? 2.5-5 grams Repashy with 1% metronidazole (of food weight, pre mixed). * Any new fish added to the tank? No * Any medications added to the tank? 180 mg kanamycin, 90 mg metronidazole, 1/2 teaspoon epsom salt * List entire medication/treatment history for fish and tank. Please include salt, Prazi, PP, etc and the approximate time and duration of treatment. The above, past 6 days * Any unusual findings on the fish such as "grains of salt," bloody streaks, frayed fins or fungus? Raised scales on Gus, please see pictures below. * Any unusual behavior like staying at the bottom, not eating, etc.? Actually very active, eating, but starting to float upside down. Here are pictures: This is 6/1/15, first day we noticed: http://i1194.photobucket.com/albums/aa368/dancingclown/Gus_sick%20009_zpssms5gnrl.jpg This is 6/3/15: http://i1194.photobucket.com/albums/aa368/dancingclown/Gus_sick%20011_zpshldr5iko.jpg This is today, 6/7/15: http://i1194.photobucket.com/albums/aa368/dancingclown/Gus_sick%20013_zpsup3p59ok.jpg Short story: we noticed raised scales, quarantined with 180 kanamycin (for 10 gallons), 90 mg metronidazole (1/2 dose for 10 gallons), and 1/2 teaspoon epsom salt. We are also feeding 2.5-5 grams Repashy, which contains 1% metronidazole of powder weight. Gus weighs 213 grams, so we're shooting to feed him medicated food 1-2% of body weight, and this medicated food is 1% metronidazole. The 1/2 dose metro in the water was because we weren't sure if he was going to be eating, and hedged our bets. (Our understanding is metro is a little more forgiving dosage-wise, than say kana). He's actually eating great, but seems to be not improving, and possibly doing worse. Having some buoyancy issues (upside down sometimes now), and the last picture shows a little bit of a bubble near his eye, which is new. (I just noticed the picture has little white dots, that's not on Gus, that's just the water). The ammonia can be non-zero in the quarantine tank, but I'm not sure we can do much about it - changing the water roughly 4x a day. We're looking for advice for the length of treatment, and if anything needs to change. I recall metromeds were 14 days but the powder usually says 7. We also have metromeds, but they've been opened for a while. We also have medigold, but they were purchased a long time ago. So we've been making due with the homemade medicated food instead. Many thanks, feel like we're running out of options =(.
  21. We can't really tell if they've gotten better. My initial reaction is no, but it's hard to tell sometimes when you're looking every day. (As an aside, it's the same when they grow bigger - I never notice it until someone who hasn't seen them in a while comes over to visit and tells us). From above (9/8/14): http://s1194.photobucket.com/user/dancingclown/media/Fins014_zpscf162680.jpg.html Also from 9/8/14: http://s1194.photobucket.com/user/dancingclown/media/Fins001_zps393bdfcb.jpg.html We added Prazi after the water change - 2.25 teaspoons, no salt (I was careful measuring this time). Plus side, they're eating and not sitting still? Do fins just take a while to heal? One thing is that we're going to be out of town for one week starting 9/19. I was hoping to have them in good shape before we left = /.
  22. They splits in the fins are new, and appeared about a day into the Melafix, I think. I don't mean to say it was because of the Melafix - my guess would be that they were just going downhill already. That sounds good to me. I'll check back in at the end of the weekend or something. She's not sitting and she's eating so I'm not too worried yet. Perhaps salt is an option? Water change on Sunday, so I'll take a closer look and pictures then. Thanks for the advice =)! I think it's very easy to second guess ourselves when it's just us fishkeeping, so it's nice getting your opinions.
  23. Ugh that was dumb of me, I moved the pictures. Thanks for pointing that out, I think the links from before should work again.
  24. Hi, So an update: so we started Melafix 8/24/14 and we put our last dose in Sat. (8/30/14). In between we did one 80% change on 8/27/14, and one 80% the day after our last dose (so 8/31/14). These were Natanie's fins on the Weds. (8/27/14) in the middle of the treatment: http://i1194.photobucket.com/albums/aa368/dancingclown/Fish_fins004_zps9784c7b7.jpg These are Natanie's fins yesterday (9/3/14), after a water change (the parameters were 0 ammonia, 0 nitrite, 10 nitrate, 7.6 ph): http://s1194.photobucket.com/user/dancingclown/media/Fish_fins009_zps6d22f83f.jpg.html From above: http://s1194.photobucket.com/user/dancingclown/media/Fish_fins012_zps6043878d.jpg.html So we're not sure if the Melafix did it's job, and now we're just waiting for her fins to heal on their own, or if it got worse? Basically, wait it out, or does this require more action? She is not sitting, and otherwise active and eating.
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