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  1. help! now my minnow is sick. she was totally fine last night-- active, etc. and now she's bent over on her side lying on the bottom, not moving much. i'm going to separate her and keep 3tsp/gallon salt in her bucket..
  2. hello. fish are doing about the same and are still in the same tank. i cannot find the prazi locally; is there something else i can use? it would take about 10 days to get if i order it online. there was something similar made by seachem (paraguard?) that was recommended. i removed the zeolite/carbon cartridges from the filter. it has two small sponges still in there. right now i just have the one filter, for a 10-gallon tank. if i move all the fish to a bigger plastic bin or something the filter will be under-sized for the amount of water. is that still better than the smaller tank with an adequate filter? i don't like this type of filter at all, and would like the outside-the-tank type eventually, but there are none for small tanks. i'm supposed to be getting a used 15-gallon tank and filter from someone, and was going to put maybe 3 fish in there for now. the tank had fish in there that died from an unknown cause 1-2 weeks ago. is this tank safe to use after drying out thoroughly? or any suggestions on how to dis-infect it? if/when i move some or all of them, should i move old gravel to the new tank? it's pretty dirty, but i guess it has beneficial bacteria on it. also the gravel seems to be just random rocks, and i was wanting to gradually replace it in case there are some metals or something in there. some of it looks sharp too. if i have 2 tanks i can only have the filter w/ the sponges in one. or can i just put a sponge in the new tank w/o it being inside a filter? sorry i know this is confusing. water is still testing ok (strips): ammonia 0, nitrite 0, nitrate ~ 10. the tank is up to 3tsp salt per gallon. (how long should i keep that up?) fish are doing about the same: some a bit inactive and keeping fins down often, 1 looking pale and inactive, some whitish spots or paler-colored scales, and a slightly fuzzy look to her. thanks again.
  3. thank you for the condolences. it has been really rough and the help and support here has been invaluable. i do have other questions about the other fish and tank. let me know if i should post them under another topic or forum. - i added salt to the tank as suggested, but then read something about salt + zeolite = ammonia? the filter has carbon/zeolite cartridges. i could take them out but i guess they help w/ ammonia, and removing the 1 dose of melafix, and other things. i'm only up to 1 tsp. salt per gallon. in the tank. - i have not moved any of the fish-- i just have the 1 filter, and the bigger containers i have are opaque so i couldn't keep a close eye on them. that would be a temporary solution anyway, so it seems like a lot of stress for nothing. also the water levels have been good in the tank. - i may still quarantine the 1 fish who seems distressed (less active, pale color, some scales discolored/pale, maybe slightly fuzzy-looking). all fish are a little less active, and some hold their fins mostly down. possibly yawning / gulping a little more often than is normal. the filter stresses them out and i don't like having it at all, that is one of the factors in my figuring out what to do with them eventually..
  4. thanks for checking in and for all your help. she died today. ~~~ r.i.p. sweet pea ~~~
  5. thanks for checking in. nothing much to report, she is still hanging in there but not improved at all. i got an air stone in there and i'll up the salt tonight. i had the water tested again (strips) and levels were still good, about the same as last time in both tank and bucket: ammonia 0, nitrite 0, nitrate ~5ppm, 'hardness' ~150, chlorine 0, pH ~8. the 'alkalinity' test was not conclusive, the strip was a bright green. i'm checking out other tank options, etc. and will try to set something up tomorrow. i think i want to isolate the one other fish as well. her pale/whitish spots are more noticeable. the tank filter feels slimy and there is still a film on the glass from before. i wiped off the top half during water change, but left the rest rather than stir it up.
  6. ok that's exactly what i'll do. thank you so much for the help!
  7. ok. i have a 2-gallon bucket of fresh water ready to go, would it be better to move my sick fish to that or add salt to the bucket she's in?
  8. thank you for all this it's very helpful. to clarify, all these fish lived together in this tank for a year or more, no new fish were added. i got all these fish in this tank about 2 weeks ago from people who were getting rid of them. i asked lots of questions but it turns out most of what they told me about caring for the fish, including the transfer, was very bad information. the fish did seem happy and healthy but the move was really rough and after a week some signs of distress showed up and the smaller minnow died. i'm eager to get them into bigger tanks but was trying to get them healthy first so the move doesn't kill them. i have some plastic bins i could use but i thought it would be too much stress right now. i also don't want to give someone else a sick fish. not sure if there are any signs of parasites or if all symptoms are from stress. the weakest fish still in the tank is kind of sluggish, and her color has paled, a few scales are very pale or almost white, and possibly a slightly fuzzy look to her. (hard to tell). the others are basically ok but a bit less active and not as shiny and healthy-looking as before. some have their fins down. i'm a little confused about the salt but i guess i will move her to one teaspoon per gallon solution. (one reply said to add it slowly, but i'm not sure how to go about that).
  9. ok thank you. i'll try the transfer with salt and when stores open in the morning i'll get an air stone in there. ps- made another attempt feeding pea and she weakly nibbles but i don't think she ingested any.
  10. i'm ready to euthanize but posted to see if there is anything else i can try to revive her, like a salt dip (?). i tried a salt dip with a weak solution and it had no effect. afraid a strong one would kill her. no salt in the water now. she's really very weak any stress could do her in at this point, but i will try at least transferring her to another bucket w/ fresher water..
  11. thank you for the input. will try to respond to all the questions.. she has been out of the tank and in the small bucket less than 24 hours. i try sticking the filter in there but she just gets pushed around and sucked into the filter and i'm trying to let her rest. i pour water with a cup frequently and do frequent small water changes. i could do bigger water changes, or could put her in the tank and isolate her with a net about 4x5x5". (the other fish were nipping at her and she was getting pulled into the filter). not sure what's best. also if she's sick she could infect the others. bucket water was tested earlier today and levels were all ok [posted at top of message]. i did try hand-feeding pea w/ no luck but will try again. i was told the club soda would anesthetize her, so she would not suffer when put in freezer. is that not correct? the idea would be to lessen the suffering, so if the club soda's not a sure thing i'll wait until tomorrow and get clove. does anyone know if the club soda works or how to do that? thanks again.
  12. ..she is barely hanging on. if there is anything else to try before euthanizing i will give it a shot. (salt dip??) otherwise i have club soda and a freezer, or could let nature take it's course. just read about clove oil but would not be able to get that until tomorrow. same fish as mentioned in d & d post: '1 very inactive goldfish, 1 dead minnow..' i did the recommended things [thank you for suggestions]-- water changes, filter, prime, etc. all fish improved, most are doing ok. biggest problem was a plant polluting the tank. will post updates on the other 7 fish later. Test Results , etc: 3 water tests in last couple days. latest results posted here [same values for tank and q.t.]: [*]Ammonia Level? 0 {was up to .25} [*]Nitrite Level? 0 {was up to .8} [*]Nitrate level? ~ 1 {was ~12.5} [*]Ph Level, Tank - pH ~ 8 {was 7.8 then 7.7} [*]Ph Level, Tap - pH was ~ 7.7 [*]Brand of test-kit used and whether strips or drops? - drops [*]Water temperature? - ? room temp. range ~ 68-85 F [*]Tank size (how many gals.) and how long has it been running? - 10 gallon. 1 yr. previously, moved and set up here ~ 2 weeks ago. getting fish well before move to bigger tank(s). [*]What is the name and "size of the filter"(s)? - elite 10-gallon in-tank filter [*]How often do you change the water and how much? - maybe 4 changes in last couple of days, 20%-60% each, now cutting back to 30% every 2-3 days in tank. [*]how many days ago was the last water change and how much? - about 20% yesterday. small changes in current q.t./bucket [*]How many fish in the tank and their size? - in small bucket now. other fish were bugging her and she was getting sucked into the filter. was in tank w/ 6 other goldfish 2-3" each, + 1 minnow. (too many fish in the tank. they lived this way for 1 year and were healthy before i got them about 2 weeks ago) [*]What kind of water additives or conditioners? - prime [*]What do you feed your fish and how often? - tetrafin goldfish flakes, cut back from once daily to once every 2 days. has not eaten in 1 1/2 days, ate a little 2 days ago. [*]Any new fish added to the tank? - no, but just got these fish and this tank about 2 weeks ago. about 2 gallons of the old water was kept, the rest is new. [*]Any medications added to the tank? - 1 dose of melafix previously but is probably out of the water now. [*]Any unusual findings on the fish such as "grains of salt," bloody streaks, frayed fins or fungus? - 2 small black marks on fins, 2 small tears in fins, pale color. [*]Any unusual behavior like staying at the bottom, not eating, etc.? - hardly moving, mostly at the bottom, on side, bent over. tried to eat yesterday but could not get at food. very weak. was very inactive for a couple of days, then seemed a bit better.. then thought she was dead last night, but she will sometimes swim a little. any ideas to revive her? for euthanizing, pet store suggested club soda as anaesthetic, then the freezer. thank you for any suggestions.
  13. hello. my favorite goldfish has become very inactive, and one of my minnows died 3 days ago. the tank is newly set up / transferred, and i am concerned about all of these fish. thank you for reading this and for any suggestions. [*]Test Results - done at pet store so i don't know exact levels. they said all the levels "look good" [*]Ammonia Level - "good" [*]Nitrite Level - "good" [*]Nitrate level - "good" [*]Ph Level, Tank - "good" [*]Ph Level, Tap - ? (i let tap water sit out 1-2 days, or use purified water) [*]Brand of test-kit used - ? and whether strips or drops? - drops. [*]Water temperature? - ? (room temp. is ~ 70-85 F) [*]Tank size - 10 gallon tank, maybe 8 gal. of water. gravel and rocks on bottom. how long has it been running? - 1 yr. previously, moved and set up here ~ 10 days ago. [*]What is the name and "size of the filter"(s)? - no filter [*]How often do you change the water and how much? - about 4 times in the last 10 days, ~ 20-30% each time. also i scoop out water and pour it back in many times each day. (to create motion in / aerate the water?) [*]how many days ago was the last water change and how much? - today, ~ 25%. [*]How many fish in the tank and their size? - 7 goldfish 2-3" each, + 1 minnow. (too many fish in this tank. they have lived this way for 1 year.) [*]What kind of water additives or conditioners? - none [*]What do you feed your fish and how often? - tetrafin goldfish flakes, once daily. did not feed today. thought i would skip today and buy peas tomorrow. [*]Any new fish added to the tank? - no, but just got these fish and this tank about 10 days ago. about 2 gallons of the old water was kept, the rest is new. [*]Any medications added to the tank? - 1 dose of melafix 3 days ago (active ingredient melaleuca, which is tea tree oil). also added a live plant at that time. [*]Any unusual findings on the fish such as "grains of salt," bloody streaks, frayed fins or fungus? - no, nothing. [*]Any unusual behavior like staying at the bottom, not eating, etc.? - yes: - two days ago a smaller minnow died. (no spots, etc. started acting very tired, sitting on the bottom, and breathing heavily/rapidly. would swim up for food but tire out quickly.) - now (since yesterday), my favorite fish is very inactive, mostly stays still and hangs out around the plant. was sitting on the bottom for a little while yesterday. she still eats. she was less active than the others before, but now hardly moves. - today all the fish seem lethargic (some more than others), and they were all hanging out on or near the bottom when i got home tonight. they all yawn or gulp sometimes, and gulp at the top of the water sometimes too. - there is a clear / cloudy film on the inside of the glass, formed in the last 3 days or so. i have left it alone, in case it is beneficial. when i got these fish about 10 days ago i knew nothing about caring for goldfish. now that i've done some research i realize this tank and set-up is grossly inadequate for these fish. looks like i will need to split them up and give some away. i'm really distressed about this, as i am already quite attached to them, and i'm sure they're attached to each other. but i'm focusing on getting them well for now. thanks again.
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