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  1. Soo it's been a while since I've been on here, but my two goldfish have surprised me with some babies so I thought I'd post. I actually tried to get rid off all of the eggs because it happened on the day I was moving my tank and fish an hour away. I must have missed a few eggs, because I have 15 that have somehow survived against all odds. They must have been stuck to the fake plants, and they had to survive a couple of days in the big tank. I saw a few swimming around to get to the top and scooped them up as I saw them, so they also survived the filters and avoided being eaten by their parents! :feedme:ymmu

    I actually made the decision to give them away with tank because I have moved to a very small apartment and really have no room for them, but then they surprised me with babies so I am wondering if it is a sign that I should keep them? Either way it's been put on hold for now!

    Sad news, I did have to euthanize my lavender butterfly telescope because she was not doing well at all. I was treating her with meds to try and help her skinniness/listlessness, and one morning I woke up and she had this horrible redness at the base of her dorsal fin (not sure if that's correct, the fin on the top.) It looked super raw and puffy and painful, and I just couldn't watch her suffer any longer. She went very peacefully with clove oil, and yes, I cried. :cry1

    Fast forward a couple of weeks, and my poor white butterfly tele was very lonely. I went to Pet$mart for some supplies, and though I wasn't planning on it, I spotted an adorable little black moor who was at the glass BEGGING me to take her home. Seriously. She was so pretty compared to the others, she had a nice deep body and her fins were really cute. I brought her home, stuck her in the QT tank (just a small little 2.5 gallon, she was super tiny at the time.) Well, in a few days she was laying eggs all over the QT tank! I was hoping she was a male, but nope! She went through the normal QT procedure, then I added her to the big tank and she and the white tele were instant friends. She has gotten much bigger in the short time I've had her, and she is super friendly and responsive and just adorable.

    OKAY, so back to the babies! My little miracle fry...the fact that they are alive is pretty impressive on their part. The last time I had fry (same father, but mother was the lav tele) I fed Hikari First Bites from the beginning and did not have great results. Also had a LOT of fry, compared to only the 15 I have now. The Hikari First Bites were possibly too difficult to eat or just not the best, because despite excellent water condition, they just did not grow the way they should have. The ones that survived were very small, and I ended up losing all of them in the end. I tried really hard so it was pretty frustrating.

    This time around I am feeding boiled egg yolk and having much, much better results so far! These fry are way fatter than the last, and growing SO much faster. I really have no supplies so for now I am keeping them in the main tank but separated in a gallon milk container with tiny holes punched in it(!!) I siphon and change water once to twice daily, and feed the boiled egg yolk 3-4 times daily. One of the fry is injured/deformed, cannot swim, but still eats and manages to sort of torpedo along the bottom. I am going to have to cull him but I feel so bad.

    Another one is the most tenacious fry I've ever seen. It was the last one I found in the big tank, and he was found days after the rest were already swimming and eating. This one tried harder than anything to fill his swim bladder with air but for some reason he just couldn't! He would use so much energy getting to the top, and trying to get air, maybe his mouth wasn't formed well but he just couldn't do it. Finally after about 6 days I came home and he was swimming with the rest (I was SO happy to see that!), but he is much, much smaller than the others. He seems to be doing well despite this, so I am really pulling for him.

    :blahblah Okay enough with the backstory, here are some pics of them at about 9 days old approximately! Quite curious as to how they will end up looking. The mommy is a black moor with I guess a regular tail? And daddy the white butterfly tele...wonder how they will turn out?!

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    If anyone has fed egg yolk before, could you please let me know how long to feed this, and when I can start feeding other foods successfully? Live foods would be best I'm sure but I just don't think it's possible for me at the moment unfortunately for a few reasons. Any other advice is very welcomed! I feel that these fry really deserve to be alive, I got rid of what I thought was all of the eggs, plus I have some very powerful filters and hungry parent fish, so their survival is pretty remarkable. I would like to do my best with them! :fishtank:

    Oh and here are the parents...

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  2. We just moved to a very small apartment, the tank is just too big for our place. I care most about them being taken care of properly, so any reasonable offer will be accepted.

    There are two fish, one is a beautiful white male "Rain Garden" butterfly telescope, about 6". The other is his companion, just a regular adorable little black moor (female.) Would prefer they stay together, because they are quite fond of each other.

    Included is the 37 gallon Marineland aquarium (minus the light, because I am using the one from my 40 gallon right now; actually have the 37 gallon light at my old house, but it needs a bulb), two Penguin 200 filters, and a Marineland submersible heater. Plus a big bottle of Prime and whatever other accessories I have that you may want. Also just bought a brand new Aqueon water changer from Pet$mart, if you want it I can sell that at cost (it was on sale, it was $39 total including tax.) If not I will just return it.

    For pics just email constancemw@gmail.com. Really hoping they can find a loving home. Have them on Craigslist, but of course someone from Koko's would have first dibs!

  3. I have been racking my brain to see if I could pinpoint any more unusual symptoms that I've seen, and I actually remembered one that may help. So sorry and can't believe I forgot to mention this, but she also has a tendency to have jelly-looking stools. I forgot because it actually hasn't happened in a while, but in the past she has definitely had this symptom as well. I did some online searches at the time and found only that it was most likely parasite related.

    The stools are clear mixed with regular "poop" color, but super jelly-like and definitely unusual. I can't remember but I think Penelope may have had this symptom as well?

    I have done several thorough Prazi treatments, as well as thorough treatments with Metromeds and MediGold in the past (though not for a while.) Neither had any effect on Penelope while she was sick, and I did the sick Lave tele back before she was sick as a preventative, because of the fact that she shared a tank with Penelope. Should I still give Metro another go?

    Oh one thing did catch my eye but I think it's ruled out because of her healthy gills....cryptobia? Is it possible that this (or another parasite) just wasnt affected by the Metromeds?

    Nocardiosis is a scary thought. It's possible that Penelope just succumbed to the disease before the dark spot symptom was able to appear. I have also thought that Lave tele (I need to rename her....I first thought she was male and named her Hugo, but since finding out she was female I never did!)...anyway I've also thought that lave tele girl's sickness could have weakened her and opened the door for another disease or condition to enter....meaning the cause of the dark spot.

    I really, really, REALLY wish I could do a scrape. Probably not, but is there a very cost effective way to do this?

    P.S. I do keep the tank rather warm, between 76-78 degrees F....should I lower it to help her fight the possible Nocardiosis? What is a good temperature for this? Thank you :)

  4. Hmm. Okay. There are also some epithelial skin diseases that present with clumping of melanaphore migration (black discoloration).. and when these go systemic (internalize) they can eat away inside and cause skinniness and eventual failure of organs. I mean serious by when something internalizes and the fish usually shows noticeable behavioral changes..you say she looks skinnier....?

    Then, there are gas exchange problems with the swimbladder which would affect balance and explain the surface gasping. Have you been able to see the color of the gills at all? Are they looking red and healthy ? not swollen or strandy or pale or brown?

    Her gills are super red and have that nice meaty look.

    So, if it is a skin condition, is there anything that can be done?

    She is definitely thinner than she used to be....she had a nice round robust belly like the white tele, but now shes sort of sunken in. I do suspect its something contagious, because her symptoms mirror Penelopes EXACTLY aside from the black spot.

    And she definitely acts differently, she just seems weak and unhappy and just sort of...existing. THe white tele has that sparkle in his eye...she is just sort of listless....except her appetite is always great, thankfully. Thats really the only time she shows any pep at all.

    You are amazing with all this knowledge! I searched all over the internet millions of times and have not found this much information concerning her symptoms. Thank you :heart

  5. Hi and welcome back Badfish.

    That color disintegration you speak of happens when a fish is losing its immunity for one reason or another. It happens when a fish is battling something quite serious.

    The black spot looks sort of raised? Is it also fuzzy on the surface or warty at all? Can you get a better look at that with a strong magnifying lens.

    Hi Trinket :)

    By something serious, are you thinking parasite or worse? I will try to locate a magnifying lens....I had a really good long look up close though and the whole spot area seems to be ever so slightly raised, but I dont see anything fuzzy or anything warty.

  6. Here is a quick vid, you can see the strange spot that appeared - seriously- like overnight, and the color changes (just check her out in my sig...so different!) She always has piped after eating since the day I got her, and you can see her begging for food when I open the tank. Def a good appetite. She just swims sort of unsteadily I think...she just doesn't look quite right.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q6rz6Ms2Q9w

  7. I have had great results with the Jungle AP (AntiParasitic) with my dropsy cases (more than metro). You can get it online very easily - like Drs.Fosters and Smith etc. Then just follow the directions for worms. You feed it 3 days a week and 4 days off. They are very small and hard pebbles. I prefer to soak them in very little water and then squish them before feeding (the squishing is important so it sinks - otherwise the fish get very floaty). :)

    I think it is worth a try - especially with the thinness - because she eats right? Just doesn't seem to put on weight?

    Do you have any pictures?

    She is definitely much less vibrant and thinner...and weaker. She eats like a HOrSE. Never had a problem with that. She prefers hand feeding...whenever she sees me she goes to the top and begs for a snack. :rolleyes:

    I love Drs. Foster and Smith, I will order that right away, it is definitely worth a good try!

    I'm uploading a video now, I'll post when it's done. They are in their new digs...we are getting a bunch of rooms repainted so I moved them temporarily into the hallway today in the 28 gallon bowfront. (May possibly keep them in there, since the 40 gallon breeder takes up SO much space, and I am switching rooms and may not have the space for it.)

  8. I remember Steve saying cool weather was preferable, but not sure how cool. My tele arrived I believe in Spring when it was pretty cool, and the water he was in was pretty frigid upon arrival, but he did really well and to date is the healthiest fish I've ever had. I will never purchase a fish anywhere other than Raingarden again! He's got some beautiful ones too...I remember how amazed I was at my tele, he was so much prettier than I was expecting. :)

  9. Oh no, this is so sad to hear. I really love your two telescopes :( I thought you had fry too, did any survive and grow up?

    About the sick fish, my advice is to find a vet near you who will treat fish. It may be expensive, but this way you will get the answers you're looking for. The vet can check out the fish and do scrapes, gill biopsies, aspirate some fluid, etc until they find out what is wrong. Then they can prescribe you with better medications than you can get in fish stores. Also (and this is most valuable) if the fish does die, you can bring in the body and they can open up the fish to see what's wrong. Then they can send tissue samples off to a lab for histopathology. This means they will culture any bacteria and tell you exactly what the fish died of. They can also check for viruses. So that way, you'll know exactly how to treat your white telescope to prevent this from ever happening to him.

    The cost may vary for you, but for me at my vet's office the prices are:

    check up (which includes scrapes, aspirates, and gill biopsy) -$70

    histopathology on deceased fish -$150 (remember to keep the fish in the fridge, NOT the freezer if you're going to do this)

    Most antibiotics ~$15

    I hope this helps :hug

    Thank you Sakura! I'm afraid I don't have the means right now to take her to the vet, but how nice that would be, to finally have a clear answer. I truly feel defeated as to whatever this illness could be..the loss of Penelope hit me pretty hard. I want my poor tele girl to get better so badly, too....they are such a cute couple. The male especially is just so crazy about her. Honestly it seems like she could take him or leave him, but he just adores her so.

    Ah, my fry! I had so many! I worked SO hard with them, but they all died after a about a month to 6 weeks. Some stayed pretty small, even the biggest didn't seem to be full size. I think I was feeding Hikari fry food, and frozen baby brine shrimp, but they just didn't thrive. If I did it again, I would probably go the live food route, seems to have better results. I really did try, but I think I was just too inexperienced and in over my head!

  10. Hey Constance!

    I know how you feel, I lost my beloved Dr.House yesterday :(

    I wonder if what you are describing are internal worms? The getting thinner makes me think of those the most. Have you tried Jungle AP instead of the Metro?

    You have no possibility of doing a scrape right?

    Glad to have you back, even if not in the best circumstances!

    Oh, so sorry about Dr. House :cry1

    I was thinking worms too but thought the Metro would help....I would def try Jungle AP in a second, I never have. Is that available at pet stores? Is it a food?

    Scrape would be a little beyond my capabilities unfortunately :(

    Thank you, I am glad to be back too! :)

  11. I had a bad experience in the past with one of my goldies (Penelope, the one in my signature.) She was my favorite fish....I was very attached. I fought a battle with her with what I believe to be some sort parasite (which I eventually lost.) Her symptoms were just slowly becoming thinner and less vibrant, and one thing I found weird (and haven't been able to find an answer to anywhere), was a darkening of color. She was all white, but towards the ends, had smears all over her body, sort of an orangy-brown. It wasn't ammonia burn...they came and lasted for months and months, with pristine water.

    My problem is now one of my other two fish. She shared a tank with Penelope during the time she was sick. SHe now has the same exact symptoms, though she has lasted longer than Penelope after showing the symptoms. She is just slowly (over 6 months or more) becoming weaker and skinnier, and darkening in color. She even developed a pretty big big black spot on her gill (almost overnight!) that has been there for, I'd say about 6 months. The other fish with her, I've had him for about a year ( got him in I think April or May, he's been with the other sick one this whole time) and he is in perfect health (he's my first Raingarden goldfish and definitely super healthy from the start.)

    I tried everything under the sun with Penelope, and nothing helped whatsoever, so I've done the Metro with the current sick fish to no avail, so I kind of fear I am just going to lose her eventually with the same unanswered questions, and also fear one day the current healthy fish may pop up with the same thing.

    I'm just wondering if anyone has any ideas as to what this may be? I've been considering euthanizing her because I don't believe her quality of life is that great anymore. I get really sad when I look at the pic in my signature of her (shes the lavender telescope), because she hardly resembles that beautiful, vibrant fish anymore....you probably wouldn't believe they were the same fish actually. I just went through so much fighting with Penelope, I don;t know if I should just let her go....?

    Thanks so much<3

  12. I just went to do a round of PraziPro (switched tanks so figured I might as well...) Well went to pour from the bottle and it's....red?! Pinkish maybe? I know this stuff is supposed to have a long shelf life, but I could swear it used to be clear. Anyone have this happen, and do you think it's still safe to use? Smells the same as I remember..just weird.

    Thanks!!

  13. Hello Koko's!

    I have a quick question about what I am assuming is septicemia in my telescope goldfish?

    I recently had an unexpected stay in the hospital (supposed to be only a week, so I did my regular water change right before I went in (I do 90% every 10 days...it's kind of a weird schedule but with a toddler I don't always have the time to do 50% every week, and it's worked for me so far!) Well, the week in the hospital turned into 3 weeks, and with no one at home "qualified" to do a water change, my poor teles went the three weeks with no change. I don't think they were overfed in that period but of course it's possible.

    When I came home my lavender girl had frayed fins and was looking a little lethargic. My white boy tele looked and acted fine except for one single streak of red in his tail. It's been a week (I did a 95% water change right away of course) and they both bounced back very quickly and are both acting completely normally, the lav girl's fins are almost completely healed already.

    My question is, the white male still has the red streak in his tail, it may have faded very slightly but it's def still there. Will this heal on it's own with good water without meds? Oh I did add salt to the tank when I cleaned it to help with healing.

    I have Medigold (think that would be the right med) as well as Metromeds but they are def well beyond the 6 month expiration period. I ran out of my testing supplies a few weeks ago and haven't had the funds to buy a new set yet (things are tight right now.) I'm pretty sure the water is okay, the tank has been stable with zero issues for so long. It's a 40 gallon with two telescope butterflies, with two Penguin 200 filters. The tank has always read good parameters, zero ammonia and nitrite and low nitrates (keep them under 10ppm) with regular changes. Since I didnt have any testers on hand except for nitrite, I didn't get a reading when I came home (I was so frantic to get them in good water) but I suspect they were definitely bad for the fish to look the way they did, since they are always healthy.

    Tank has been up and running for almost a year so it's pretty well established. I rinse the filter media in tank water, etc. It's a barebottom with an air wand and a heater set to 76 degrees F.

    Just wondering if my boy with eventually lose the streak in the tail? He is a Raingarden goldfish, and the healthiest/hardiest fish I have ever owned. Will he be okay with a little TLC?

    Thanks!

    Oh and I am going to do another 90% change tomorrow just to make sure the water is pristine.

  14. Just going to chime in about the air bubble question, it's always been my understanding that it's the surface agitation that is most important when it comes to oxygenation, not the bubbles? So an air wand is really most effective when it's powerful enough to agitate the surface of the water quite a bit...because that is how oxygen really enters the water...and not so much by the amount of bubbles the air wand/stone gives out.

    Anyone please correct me if I am wrong about this? :idont

    Very sorry about your fish :(:heart

  15. First, I am so, so sorry for your losses. :( My heart really goes out to you -- you did all you could to take excellent care of them, and then something entirely out of your control happens that you could never have expected.

    At least they had a wonderful life and were deeply loved while they were here. :heart

    I do know what you mean about not wanting to replace your fish. When I lost my beloved Penelope, I didn't want to just replace her either. Some time went by, and I started to feel sorry for my other fish (my lavender tele) who was all alone. I knew I didn't want a fish too much like her, because I didn't want to try to replicate her in any way. I decided on a male telescope (I love orandas but I didn't want to be always comparing a new oranda to Penelope.) I did get an all white tele though (Penelope was white) in homage to her.

    P.S. I have never seen or heard of a veil oscar before -- wow!! What a gorgeous fish! Please do post pics if you end up getting one. :)

  16. I'm so sorry Sakura. :heart May I ask where in the US you are located? I could maybe help you find some Maracyn 2 if it would help (saw it in my local store not too long ago.) I could even mail it if need be (and would be more than happy to.)

    Really hoping she gets through this...I am eagerly awaiting the day when she is swimming in the big tank with her new friends.

    Hang in there Fuu!!!!

  17. I have definitely considered that Raivynn! I am torn between what would be best for them. It scares me that so many people mistreat goldfish -- I worry that if someone buys them, they may not treat them right and they would suffer. When I think about that I wonder if maybe it's best to cull them, so I know they went quickly and painlessly.

    If I had a local pet shop that I could trust....that wouldn't tell people they can put 17 goldfish in a 3 gallon tank, etc....I would definitely give away the healthy ones that I don't have the room to keep. I just want to know they are going to have a chance at a good life....you know?

    Semi-good news (I guess you could call it that)...the very deformed, big fry passed today. I think I had my first big die-off these past couple days. I actually moved them to a 28 gallon tank today (the healthy ones....there are still some semi-deformed ones, but they were healthy so I kept them for now to see what happens with them.) The ones that were dying or unhealthy looking and/or badly deformed I kept in the old container and added a little clove oil until they peacefully went to sleep. I will leave them in there overnight just to be sure. It seemed very humane though....there was no stress or struggling, they just slowed down and eventually stopped. It's still sad but it's better than them suffering.

    I talk about culling a lot on here because it's not easy for me...but I know sometimes it's the best. I am going to do some investigating though and see if there are any local shops that are trustworthy, so I could maybe give some of the healthy fry to them if they survive. :idont

  18. Yes they do Kukana!! My goldies (who I love to death) don't have the best eyesight...and they are friendly...but the betta is so entertaining and interactive! He gets all excited when he sees me and dances and flares and does flips... :rofl He VERY clearly tells me to feed him by looking at me, then looking at the place on the rock where I put his food, looking back at me, etc. It's so funny!

    I feed him with a pipette and as soon as it hits the water he starts attacking and dive-bombing it! So much enthusiasm! I am just so smitten with him...he's quite a little character. :heart

    Devilduck, sure, I will send him over! :D He is so handy, it's amazing because he can fix pretty much anything. He's stubborn too and won't give up when something's not working -- he gets really determined!

    Bad news though....I almost had a boiled betta today!!! :o:krazy::doh11:

    When I went to feed him, I put the pipette in the water, and my fingers felt the water temp.....it was SO hot! I took the thermometer from the goldies tank and stuck it on the side...the highest it goes is 88 degrees and that's where it was!!!

    The light (fluorescent) had been off all night, the only thing running was the filter. (Goldie tank has a heater, and was only reading 78 degrees F, so it wasn't the room temp or anything..though it would have to be REALLY hot to get that high!) I quickly unplugged the filter and did a PWC, slowly adding slightly cooler water so not to shock or stress him. Thank goodness I noticed and also that it didn't get any hotter!

    I think the filter is just maybe wanting to be retired. I know I am going to be too scared to leave it running without watching the temp constantly....darn!! :unsure:

    Anyone else have their Eclipse's run hot?

  19. Just a quick question about crushed coral, sorry not trying to hijack this thread but didn't think this question was worthy of starting a whole new one... :)

    Is there any harm in adding crushed coral even if your PH is steady? Sort of as a preventative? Is this a good idea, and are there any drawbacks?

  20. Awesome! Isn't it great to have a dad like that? At least you have the Eclipse 3 up and running again. Maybe you get your hands on the hex as well, muahahhaa :lol2

    Well, I'm still going to do 100 percent water changes, I'm just sick of washing out betta bowls every 2 days!

    How many do you have Madame?

    Hehe, you know I am still hoping for that hex! It's even better this way because I will have 2 with working filters then... :bingo:

    I used to have quite a few bettas in unfiltered 2-3 gallon bowls and it was a lot of work with water changes. With the goldie tank (especially a 40 gallon one that has the two most amorous goldfish ever, and therefore needs huge water changes constantly!)...I just don't want to overwhelm myself with tanks that need too much maintenance. (We'll see how long that lasts...I have been staying away from the pet store because if I go in there, I am going to check out the bettas...and the inevitable is going to happen! :newfish (I am just so smitten with my new little betta guy! He's SO smart and not shy at all anymore and has so much personality...I :heart him!)

  21. Thanks Sakura. :heart There's one in particular that I am just dreading sooo much. He is actually my biggest and healthiest looking one, if you can believe it...because he is by far the most "deformed" one of the bunch. His tail is at just an awful angle, and his back is just a mess. But he's got a huge belly and is definitely the biggest one and seems so healthy otherwise.

    If he is allowed to make it to adulthood, he is going to be quite a sight. I just wonder if he feels any pain...he is just so kooky looking. He would be the most obvious one that should be culled....it is just going to be really, really hard. Maybe he will jsut go naturally during a die-off period and I won't have to do it. (That actually has been happening the last two days, a huge portion of my very crooked back fry have been dying off. I am so grateful for it...it seems like the ones that should go, are going.)

    Hopefully the healthy ones will all survive and the deformed ones will all go....in a perfect world.... :exactly

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