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  1. Ahhh I see in that case I'll MSG the site that I use to help me with my foray into green water and I provide so answer to your question from your opening post, hope it helps

    Here are the questions I have :

    * what equipment do I need. (lights that simulates sunlight, heater maybe, tubs/bins/bottle, air bump/stone)

    * is it best to have the setup outdoors or can I have it indoors. (can have it outdoors or in)

    * how do I go about and prepare the green water culture. (with fish or without fish method are two ways you can go about it one is faster but stressful for your fish and the other method is longer)

    * once the GW is established what sort of maintenance work is required to keep it green and healthy. (when it gets too green do a water change take 10% as seed then get rid of the rest, refill and add prime then once that's done dump in the "seed")

    * do you have any tips or do's and dont's of GW. (make sure what you have is green water and not brown, make sure it didn't randomly crash, and lastly be sure your fish can handle it.)

    Thanks in advance.

  2. he is adorable!! :) Glad to know you had a good experience with this seller! Now we have another place we can direct people who are looking for chus ;)

    Cynthia is great to work with. She really cares about her Ranchu's. She does incredible packaging and she gives you a care sheet. She also gives you a lot of picture's and video's of Ranchu's to choose from. I think shes one of the best.

    I like it when they give you videos of the fish your interested in since it's hard to hide any faults it may have =), I'm liking this Cynthia person already (Y)

  3. Interesting topic and to anwer the question you propose and the tank size your planning to get...it would be more then enough but at the same time it might not be if your maintenance and systems aren't in check? Like you get a 100 gallon but you only change the water every year or so...which isn't really adequate for one fish in its lifetime. So in the end it depends on you and how you plan to take care of your fish. Also the gallon per fish rule...I'm not getting into that one lol

  4. My green water is extremely green, and i maintain normal water changes, about 50% once a week. I can take a cup of water in a clear glass and the water will be tinted green and cloudy. To my understanding, it happened because of a higher amount of nitrates, direct sun exposure, and the water quality from the tap high in organic material that algae feeds off of- which is why water changes don't affect it. if you have all of these, you might see it with enough light exposure and fewer nitrate eating plants, but i wouldn't go putting your fish in sun, raising nitrates, or adding algae food to the water to get it. Being outside was the biggest factor though. I didn't mean to do it on purpose, and it has been a pain in the butt. I've seen awesome growth and color changes with all of my fish but some have been getting sick and i just lost an otherwise healthy fish to dropsy after getting this green water.

    I'm sorry I don't have more info!

    That's more then enough info thanks! I think ammonia plays a bigger role in the formation of green water then nitrates, and I think I see where your problem lies...although green water is good for our fish it start to become bad once we let it get too green. So now I have to ask do you want the green water or get rid of it? o.o (also you mention one of your fish got sick, so is your water green-brownish by any chance?)

    Actually, it's just super super green. I've been trying to get rid of it, I've put in bamboo and lots of wisteria, right now I am trying a black out for a week, and if that doesn't work, I'll be tearing down everything and restarting from scratch, except my bio media if possible, and trying to move the tank indoors somewhere (: I know I don't have any ammonia readings, but I have very high nitrates, though this could have been kicked into motion after my move, my bio media wasnt completely thriving and I had ammonia for a while. About 2-3 weeks after setting up the tank, a filter failed overnight, and in the morning the walls were covered in algae, but the water wasnt green. I restarted the filter and after some really sunny days and a couple days of rain, the water itself turned extremely green. It's been a problem ever since >.< if you have any idea on how to get rid of it in a 125 gallon aquarium, I'd love to hear (X I'm a little desperate haha.

    All you have to do is scrub the tank then do a 100% water change (empty the water in the filters too if your using any) then make sure to provide lots of shade for the next few days as a precaution to kill off any possible left overs. Also you should know that you probably have a cycle bumb or cycle might be gone altogether as a result of the green water (since it competes with the bb for the same food source). So just make sure to check your parameters and do water changes accordingly and make sure it's perfect otherwise green water will just come back eventually to balance things out.

    I like my fish as they are, and I don't want to change them. I like them normally as they should be, not extremely pretty so that they don't look like their true breed. :)

    ....? what do you mean exactly when you say true breed o.o?

    Hey, I would not try for green water with your tank overstocked like it is. Green water is great for fish in understocked situations for example with 25 gallons per fish or more. It has great nutrition for them, but here is the thing, when the lights go out oxygen levels will go down due to all the algae in the water, this could lead to suffocation of your goldfish, especially since you are overstocked.

    I wouldn't use Green water in the way you prescribe it since it could lead to a crash, it's better to be stocked or overstocked then understock in green water. Although this may be true to get to that point the water has to be really green and we usually counter that with airstone when the lights are out.

    What do you mean by link the thread? :rofl

    I think he means this?

    http://www.kokosgoldfish.invisionzone.com/forum/index.php?/topic/108547-greenishcloudy-water/

  5. That was exactly my point about lionheads. The tail tuck matters because there shouldn't be one :)

    Green water can be difficult to maintain and like I said, generally is not reccomended for novice fish keepers like Mike.

    You can give sources publicly and should. You just cant link directly to other forums.

    Lovely chaos has green water outdoors and I believe it developed on its own although she will be able to tell you better.

    ahhhh I guess I misunderstood the phrasing of what you meant

    good to know that's how it works

    My green water is extremely green, and i maintain normal water changes, about 50% once a week. I can take a cup of water in a clear glass and the water will be tinted green and cloudy. To my understanding, it happened because of a higher amount of nitrates, direct sun exposure, and the water quality from the tap high in organic material that algae feeds off of- which is why water changes don't affect it. if you have all of these, you might see it with enough light exposure and fewer nitrate eating plants, but i wouldn't go putting your fish in sun, raising nitrates, or adding algae food to the water to get it. Being outside was the biggest factor though. I didn't mean to do it on purpose, and it has been a pain in the butt. I've seen awesome growth and color changes with all of my fish but some have been getting sick and i just lost an otherwise healthy fish to dropsy after getting this green water.

    I'm sorry I don't have more info!

    That's more then enough info thanks! I think ammonia plays a bigger role in the formation of green water then nitrates, and I think I see where your problem lies...although green water is good for our fish it start to become bad once we let it get too green. So now I have to ask do you want the green water or get rid of it? o.o (also you mention one of your fish got sick, so is your water green-brownish by any chance?)

    I think he grew green water outdoors and keeps it in his aquarium.

    I grew my green water indoors =), a bit hard to do it outdoors at the moment since it's too cold and I live in an apartment.

  6. This is what I use as well.

    Clone 3, I think I pay $4.99 for each pack.

    ahhh about the same as us then I was hoping there would be places that sell them cheaper XD

    It cost me s $17.50 for the whole box

    (12 trays: 32 cubes/tray)

    *singapore dollars

    So jelly right now =.=

  7. Mikey, if your fish is still young and at a growing stage, you gotta stuff them. :clapping: Try to get them very high nutrient foods, like bloodworms where you can feed in 4-8 small meals a day. This promotes growth the most, although water is also a major component. It's best to keep the water very clean by siphoning out derbris every other day and if you can - put them in green water. LASTLY, make sure your tank is big and well enough deep. Deep water = deeper body and better curve - which are major components (although tail curve isn't important if it's not a ranchu lol)

    All of these are major points of grooming.

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    Weird things I've heard about grooming:

    - massaging the fishes fin everyday to straighten fins (ex: weak dorsal on Oranda) (I know some who did and claim to have some success with it but I read that years ago)

    - putting Tosaskin in small triangular?? (or was it round?) bowls w/ airstone and shallow water to promote the "tail flip". (round =))

    - Putting a needle in a Bubble Eye's bubble and taking/putting fluid in - to even out both bubble sizes (This is a first for me but I do know that some use a needle to take out fluid/air in regards to the swim bladder though o.o)

    - putting TVR in shallow ponds w/ airstone only - promotes flowerlike tail and buffalo futan (Other factors are involved with the tail development like the amount of fish but shallow water is key and the futan is all about the diet nothing to do with the shallow water)

    ^^^^^^^ NEVER try the things on the weird list if you cannot maintain water quality/have no fish handling experience! Personally I don't recomend doing either of those.

    Most of what you said is pretty sound but I would change a few things in regards to the grooming. 8 would be excessive but 4-5 would be good when their age 0-3 months, 3M-1year 3-4, 1-3years 3, 3years+ less feeding as they age beyond that point. Siphoning with clear water is fine but I would just do a 100% water change after 3 days or something but for green water it's a big no no unless it's time to change the water. Water levels does play a role in developing certain characteristic in a fish but not really in the tail tuck or deeper body aspect. Though at the end of the day it's all about the genetics and if they were stunted or not before you bought them.

    Although the bit about tosakins is true, some people do that, I would be very interested to know where you got this information. No offense given, but being 14, Im guessing this information was not developed first hand. What are your sources?

    Green water is difficult to maintain in an aquarium and/or is for the experiences hobbyist. Its usually used outside in tubs or ponds and not generally recommended for inside.

    Deeper water does not always equal a deeper body. Parent fish have more to do with that than water depth. Putting a needle in a bubble eyes sac will do nothing except allow a passage way for bacterial infections and irritation to the fish. Tail tucks do matter on breeds besides ranchu, such as oranda and lionhead. So does a smooth back. Mikey is buying small fish of pet store quality and not showing them.

    Please don't recommend dangerous procedures such as these. They can kill fish.

    I don't think he would be able to give sources publicly considering the rules here, could ask him to pm it to you.

    I think green water is easy to maintain just getting it is hard depending on how you go about it.

    Also standards differ but traditionally lion heads should have straight backs with zero to little tail tuck

    I wouldn't go trying to get green water indoors either. While it can be beneficial, fish react differently to it. Some get all of the fantastic growth and color, like my ryukins, and orandas, while some have a hard time dealing with it, like my lionheads. You can never really know, but you can get similar growth and color results with blood worms and food high in algae (: just be sure that if any of your fish get floaty to avoid giving them too much high protein foods.

    I rather curious about your green water, do you mind sharing your process? (how green is it, when do you change, etc.)

  8. Do you put some kind of aeration in the bucket, when it's outside? And how do you get the green water out of the tank, once you've finished?

    Does the green water harm plants at all?

    Sorry for all the questions!

    Nope but you do need it in the tank though especially at night or when the lights are off. Also you just need to do is scrub all the sides of the aquarium then do a 100% water change and maybe leave the lights off for the first day. They don't really harm other plants directly but once it gets too green other plants won't get enough light.

    No problem lol I'm happy to answer any questions.

    Well since you can't really see your fish in the tank anyway, you won't notice when I come and steal one of them. :peeka

    :rofl

    That is really cool. Thanks for the video!! :D

    Lol you guys can steal my fish any time :P and it was my pleasure.
  9. ummm

    I think I just did quoted and stated the wrong post LOL

    Not that I am aware of.

    Since you are, send me some Thai goldfish :please

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    • Age:36
    • Location:United States
    • Referred By:google
    • How many Goldfish:9
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    Hm. :rofl

    :rofl Alex it says he is in America so those Thai fish aren't gonna come soon

    I believe he is currently in Thailand, I remember him stating so in another thread?

  10. This is super neat! Have you seen lots of growth? Also how did you make green water on purpose

    They almost double I think compare to when I first got them. Also to make green water you can do it with fish or without method, I would recommend the without fish way since it can be quite stressful to them. So first you simply get a bucket fill it with water and just leave it outside where it will be under the sun and it will eventually turn green (needs to be warm or hot as well). Once you have green water just put it in your tub or tank and once it become too green do a water change while saving 10% of the green water and just repeat.

    Do you get the water to go green on purpose? How do you do it?

    Yup the initial start is hard but once you have it, it becomes easier to do, and above is how I did it kinda (since it's winter here had to do it the hard way)

    Yay , thank you for posting !

    I had a grew water tank by accident once but I quite liked it and my fish grew a lot !

    Yours look really cool !

    no problem lol since you were interested I posted this topic :o and only doing this temp in the big tank till I get more ranchu later in the spring lol then the green water will be going in a tub and then rotating begins o.o
  11. :o Your fish are so THIN!!! I can hardly see them! :P

    They're pretty fat I think lol XD

    Very neat. :) What does the green water do? I can't remember. :P

    growth, color, water condition, wen, good indicator of health...probably more but that's the only one I can think from the top of my head at the moment.

    lol How many fish are in there??? It's like a ghost tank-they keep slipping and sliding into sight. Nice looking fish, I think? :rofl2

    Three in there and quite lovely...a few more months and they should be perfect.
  12. yellow powder...really good stuff you have there. For treatment purposes you would use it for

    "fin rot, gill rot, hemorrhagic septicemia, mild dropsy, skin lesions, bacteria infection related to the digestive system and other bacteria infections"

    but thats the newer yellow powder but yours should still be just as effective if you decide to use it. I think it is one of the three must have medice in asia...wish is was easier to get over here as it is over there >.<

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