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  1. I did high salt for the first week and then brought it down. I didn't double dose prazi but I don't see any reason why you couldn't.
  2. My girl hadn't shown any reaction to salt or prazi! So I bet you'll be fine. I'm not really expecting one, but who knows! How's yours doing? Is she out of QT Yet? She's only a week ahead of yours so nope! She's got another 2-3 weeks left. With any fish thats shipped I feel a long QT is better because who knows what they could be carrying and not show until later in observations. That's why I'm doing a preventative round of MM (something I would typically never do) just because I cannot take any chances with her or my other fish.
  3. My girl hadn't shown any reaction to salt or prazi! So I bet you'll be fine.
  4. I think it helps a lot to go over setting everything up and reviewing the procedure with your nurse just like a real doctor would. When you know what you're doing you stay much calmer and things tend to go more smoothly. Wen trimming is a procedure that is far easier than tumor removal or more invasive surgeries. Even for something like euthanasia going over and preparing for it ensures it will be as stress free and painless as possible for the fish. Preparedness both physically and mentally are very important.
  5. I would only trim if the wen became to heavy or if covering the eyes caused the fish to bottom sit (which it can sometimes). depends on the fish and the situation! It would also depend on the person who owns the fish. I would be okay performing this procedure with assistance of a "nurse" (since I would be the doctor. The nurse would be my bf ) but there is an aquatics vet at the aquarium near me that routinely does surgery on large koi so I could always consult there for help.
  6. I don't mind because my fish grow like weeds on NLS. It could turn them green and I wouldn't care!
  7. Ah I was under the impression you would be doing in back and forth quickly nevermind then
  8. This is an excellent point. And it leads me to think that the fish would be stressed. So, what if say all 5 "stressed" fish go to the sand side and remain there? Then, we might have the beginnings of a hypoethis that the substrate gives them some sort of comfort. It just doesn't seem practical, and all the moving would also be very harsh on the animal.
  9. I'm not sure I want food to be the determining factor for this experiment. I think food is important though, because what are our goldfish if not eating machines? LOL And it would be interesting to see if they spend as much time scouring a bare bottom for food as they do foraging in sand/gravel. Agreed and foraging is solely for the purpose of finding food, so food would act as a great catalyst.
  10. But moving the fish would cause stress therefore changing its base behavior. So it's not practical from a scientific standpoint.
  11. A much better experiment would be to measure the amount of time a individual spends foraging through a substrate after it is fed, because ease of foraging would most likely correlate into what 'preference' the fish would have. So you would take an individual and measure the time it spends after feeding on sand/barebottom/gravel/etc. The downside would be that you would need to test multiple fish and you would need to do each trial many times on different substrate while trying to keep all other factors unchanging.
  12. NLS will do it as well! My fish actually became much more yellow when i started feeding NLS.
  13. It's just coloring from the foods you feed. It's harmless and nothing to worry about.
  14. I'm sorry I wasn't aware they were in such serious condition! This is what I get for trying to browse the forums on my phone and very sleepy.
  15. I agree shakaho. Just as most of the length of a single tail can be...well the tail (not always but most times) Most of the girth on a fancy is in the body, so they rally require the same things regardless of body plan. If anything my singletails can turn on a dime and the fancies need the tanks that are wider to turn around as they're failures at piloting their tubby bodies around. If you going for a 55 gal I would just go for a 75, because the only change in dimensions is really the width so it doesn't seem that much larger. It has a good footprint as well.
  16. Id agree that it definitely looks parasitic in nature. Alexs suggestion seems good. I would probably give everyone salt dips if it was a problem I was encountering, but that is always the general course for slime coat issues.
  17. I'll be picking up a 40gal this week. My bf found out his nan has 3 goldfish living in subpar conditions and she really loves the little guys, so with his permission were giving them a big upgrade. She can't go any larger than the 40 due to the size of her living space but these guys have been in a few gallons for months apparently so I think they'll appreciate the space.
  18. Thank you so much! I don't think I'll have enough metro for the entire course at this rate, but I don't think I can pay for shipping or anything right now. I could cover shipping! It's really not an issue. Just let me know how much you need and pm me your address and I'll send it out asap.
  19. Cat let me know if you need MM and I can ship some. I also have Medigold, piles and piles of metro (both powder and tablet) and trisulfa to spare.
  20. I too am interested in helping! pictures will definitely help us figure out what's going on.
  21. I believe in my previous post the person said "some members" and I agreed. I did not single you out nor did I intend to. I was actually referring to other instances mostly since the issue you had is not related to the issue many people are worried about (which is impaction or gill damage). When I said sand could be safe more or less I meant that relatively speaking. If you have four inches of sand than that is not safe. Substrate that deep is never safe. But if it's done right it is a safe option. Any element of a closed system can be dangerous if not properly maintained. Was it the cause of valentinos problems? Maybe. I really couldn't tell you. All that matters is that he is healthy. I kept my tanks barebottom for quite a few years before I began planting them so I know how nice they can be. Again I'm sorry if I hurt your feelings. I just wish we knew for certain because as a scientist I don't really like to speculate if I can help it!
  22. I definitely wasn't trying to imply you were using it as a scapegoat! I don't type as much or as well as I should when I mobile post. If you felt you're fish was having issues than taking it out was a good move. I just think with any community you (collective you) have to be careful with wording and not spooking other members. Sand can be safe substrate and is more or less. However there is nothing wrong with barebottom. It looks nice and is low maintenance. But I guess what I was trying to say is members shouldn't jump to any conclusions regarding substrate vs no substrate until all the sides are evaluated. I'm sorry if I offended you as that really wasn't my intent! I just think it's important to see both sides of every topic and not let fear or hesitancy skew things.
  23. You're fiancé sounds like my bf! He doesn't like fancies and only wants single tails. I'm like okay well get me more ponds and you can have all the Singletails you want!!
  24. I have seen many people recently warn about the 'dangers' of sand; so I thought this article might be helpful in explaining the mechanism by which goldfish and their close relatives feed and why sand is a very natural and typically harmless element in their environment. So lets really take a look at the goldfish for what it is; a species of carp. It's wild counterpart is the Prussian Carp (Carassius gibelio) which in the wild feeds on organic detritus, filamentous algae, small benthic animals, and pieces and seeds of aquatic weeds. The key word in that last sentence is the word benthic, meaning "Relating to the bottom of a sea or lake or to the organisms that live there."[1] Prussian carp and their relatives (including feral or hybrid goldfish) are found in a wide array of habitats, most of which are lakes and rivers. Lakes are low energy environments, meaning that not much energy is being used in the environmental system to transport sediment, and this results in only small sediments being moved.[2] Therefore lakes have silt, sand, or clay as their substrate, almost exclusively. Goldfish have evolved to feed and live in this kind of environment, and have done so for millennia. They possess gill rakers, which are a structure that occurs on the gill arch and vary greatly in structure between species of fish.[3] Here is a helpful diagram showing two "forms" of gill rakers: The one on the left belongs to a species that is feeding on very small foods and is most likely a herbivore or omnivore. In order to get as much food as possible out of the substrate or water column they must have many gill rakers that are spaced closely together to trap food particles. The gill on the right belongs to a species that is feeding on larger prey; typically (but not always) fully carnivorous fish have gill rakers like this form. Goldfish however possess rakers that looks very similar to the left structure. Here is a picture of a goldfish's gill rakers (it's on a dead fish so if you're squeamish you might not want to click it). Fish move food through the rakers during a processing called winnowing. First the fish ingests a mouthful of sediment, then by moving several structures within the mouth, including the gill covers and hyoid apparatus, moves food back and forth across the rakers. Food bits are chewed and swallowed while debris is pushed out the mouth or gills. "An ability to extract food particles buried within loose sediments is common among unrelated lineages of teleost fishes that grub or root for buried items. For example, substrate grubbers (rooting with the snout within loose sediments to locate and ingest single food items) include the common carp (Cyprinus carpio), callichthyid and doradid catfishes of the Neotropics, and loaches (Cobitidae) of Asia. Digging and sifting (winnowing) behavior is observed among many, if not most of the diverse percomorph fishes" [4] For goldfish the options that allow for the most natural feeding behaviors are particles classified as "sand", which is considered 1-2mm at the largest and 62.5–125 µm at the smallest; smaller grain sizes rainging from silt (3.90625–62.5 µm) to clay(< 3.90625 µm) are also acceptable however are not practical.[5] Large substrates do not allow for them to be winnowed through the gills, which can lead to the substrate getting lodged in the fish's mouth, leading to death. Sand typically passes without issue and will not impact a fish so long as it is not too large. Winnowing is one of the most natural behavior goldfish illustrate in home aquaria, even so far removed from the wild and highly modified from their original wild appearance. Keeping sand under a half inch will ensure that no anaerobic pockets form within it and allow it to be fully turned over by the fish. Sand is also beneficial because it forms an home for meiofauna to inhabit. These are a wide range of planktonic organisms that live in between grains (the pore spaces) in a sediment. These are hardly a meal for a goldfish but contribute to an overall balanced environment. In conclusion sand is no more dangerous than any other aspect of an aquarium.It mimics their wild habitat closely and when set up properly is a great addition to any tank. The goldfish have the proper anatomical structures such as gill rakers to easily winnow through substrate and doing so is a natural and healthy behavior. Without proper evidence blaming a death or illness on one cause is a recipe for disaster because the real issue may get glazed over and go unnoticed. Thorough knowledge of the internal structures and functions of the animals being kept is beneficial to eliminating possible hazards and allows them to survive and thrive. Sources: [1]http://www.thefreedictionary.com/benthic [2]http://www.geo.utexas.edu/courses/303/303_lab/Sedimentary%20Lab303.html [3]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gill_raker [4]http://www.plosone.org/article/info%3Adoi%2F10.1371%2Fjournal.pone.0089832 [5]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grain_size This post has been promoted to an article
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