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You know... I would just like to say thank you so much to everyone here. You've all been incredibly helpful and kind, especially you Tithra. I am familiar with dropsy and it's mortality rate... I just thought maybe if I caught it fast enough and treated it they may have had a chance but... I have been considering euthanasia for a while, especially with the pearscale. The fantail though... I was hoping maybe to build a harness, and fingers crossed a vet visit to see if he can live a normal or at least healthy life. I have read up on the clove oil method, I had a beautiful betta who developed a tumor and eventually very aggressive dropsy. Unfortunately he passed before I could find any clove oil around me. So I am at least a little familiar with the procedure, but I've never done it. I will let you guys know when I decide what to do.
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They've been in Epsom for 11 days now. With, unfortunately, no swelling reduction that I can see. Should I just stop it? No weight either, I'm very sorry. I did, however, inspect their gills for any paleness and they look healthy. As for how much I feed them... I would have to say about 10-15 pellets? If I had to guess. Pretty much as much as they would eat in a normal sitting. Once again, I'm really sorry I didn't get their weight yet. I've honestly had this scale for years and once the batteries ran out I just never got new ones.
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Hmmm... so either I recorded their treatment wrong or I made a grave mistake. I do remember, however, knowing full well the two week treatment time and making it a point to treat them. I'd like to think I made a recording error but I am extremely forgetful... unfortunately. Because of financial constraints and a fear of his digestive tract grinding to a halt, I put them both in the same tank since I only have one heater. I did add both filters, though. So now they're both in a 20gal with two filters, a heater, and an air stone. Should I continue the 50% daily water changes or increase them? *sigh* This is so stressful. All because some lady didn't stop to think if she knew enough about fish to keep them. Fish are treated like a throw away pet, a decoration. She genuinely seemed to care about their well being in the end, though. As promised, pictures. Here is the set up. Now I'm going to take a moment to complain, because I have not had the chance anywhere else. Feel free to ignore this.These tanks are in my basement, I have to go down a flight of stairs with each bucket of water. That's 4 trips, at least. I've been working 40+ hours weekly because of my two jobs. Also because of them, Christmas was my first day off in over a month. Some days I work 5 hours at one job only to work 4 hours at my other with literally no time in between. So no breaks. I don't think I've had one break this entire time, aside from Christmas eve. I also have birds, fish, snakes, and a dog to tend to in my free time.
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Ok! Sorry for the lack of updates on the guys. Unfortunately, the news is not good. I've been tracking their progress daily, here is what I have since I left off earlier. Prepare for wall of text. TL;DR Mostly 50% water changes, some days I skipped water changes and did a 100% to try and make up for it the next day. The pearscale is slowly getting worse and the fantail has developed a small sore on his side, but it doesn't look too severe.. Both of them are still eating. Oh, and I finally got Epsom salt and I need a heater because the fantails tank is getting way too cold. The temps have stayed a very constant 75F and 60F until now. Dec. 3- Fed Metro-Meds in a.m, ate with enthusiasm. 50% WC both tanks. No change. Still have to weigh fish and get Epsom salt. Dec. 4- Fed Metro-Meds in a.m, ate with enthusiasm. 50% WC both tanks. Dec.5- Fed Metro-Meds in a.m, ate with enthusiasm. 50% WC pearscale, 70% fantail. Pearscale looks a little worse. Dec. 6- Fed Metro-Meds in a.m, ate with enthusiasm. 50% WC both tanks. Dec. 7- Fed Metro-Meds in a.m, ate with enthusiasm. 50% WC both tanks. Dec. 8- Stopped Metro Med treatment. Fed presoaked pellets in am, all eaten. 50% WC both tanks. Dec. 9- No WC. Fed presoaked pellets in am, all eaten. Dec. 10- 100% WC both tanks. Started using Prime as water conditioner. Fed presoaked pellets in am, all eaten. Dec. 11- Fed presoaked pellets in am, all eaten. 50% WC both tanks. Dec 12- Fed presoaked pellets in am, all eaten. 50% WC both tanks. Red spots appear on pearscale. Raised pearscale temperature from 70F to 75F. Fantail tank still 60F. Dec. 13- No WC. Fed presoaked pellets in am, all eaten. Red spots still apparent. Dec 13- 100% WC both tanks. Fed presoaked pellets in am, all eaten. Red spots worse. Dec. 14- Fed presoaked pellets in am, all eaten. 50% WC both tanks. Dec. 15- Fed presoaked pellets in am, all eaten. 50% WC both tanks. Dec. 16- Fed presoaked pellets in am, all eaten. 50% WC both tanks. Dec. 17- Fed presoaked pellets in am, all eaten. 50% WC both tanks. Dec. 18- Bought Epsom salt. Dosed both tanks. Fed presoaked pellets in am, all eaten. 50% WC. Dec. 19- Fed presoaked pellets in am, all eaten. Pearscale looking worse. 100% WC both tanks. Dosed with Epsom salt. Dec. 20- Fed presoaked pellets in am, all eaten. Red spots till on pearscale. No WC Dec. 21- Fed presoaked pellets in am, all eaten. 100% WC both tanks. Dosed with Epsom salt. Dec. 22- Fed presoaked pellets in am, all eaten. No WC. The fantail has developed a small sore on his side from laying on the same area for too long, I assume. Dec 23- 100% WC both tanks. Pearscales bloating looks worse. Dosed with Epsom salt. Dec. 24- Fed in am, no WC Dec. 25- Fed in am, no WC Dec. 26- 100% WC both tanks. Fed pearscale metro-meds+ fantail pellets. Pearscale still looking bad, if not worse. Dosed with Epsom salt. Unfortunately temp in fantails tank is 58F. Must buy heater. Dec. 27- Fed presoaked pellets to fantail and metro meds to pearscale. I do have photos, I'll upload them soon.
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Ug. No salt or batteries yet. My fault. Hopefully tomorrow. They're not doing any better or worse as far as I can tell. Oh, the fantails sore on his side is actually better, now that I think about it. It's just a few missing scales now, healing nicely. It wasn't very serious to begin with though.
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Ok, can do tomorrow.
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40 hour work week with no days off, double shifts (rather, working both jobs in one day), and relying on rides from my fiance. Just really busy. Still, I HAVE had the time I just haven't remembered when I was free. I was unaware of that... do you know how I can weigh them? I have a digital scale that goes up to... 5lbs I think?
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Yes! I was very pleased with how fast they came. I began to record what I'm doing with the tanks. So far they're still sinking and bloated, though. Still haven't gotten any epsom salt, that's my bad. Nov. 25- Recieved fish. Treated with aquarium salt. No food. Set up: Two 20gal tanks. Pearscale= heater and air stone. Fantail= filter (200GPH). Nov. 26- 100% WC both tanks to remove aquarium salt. No food. Waste appears normal. Nov. 27- 90% WC on pearlscale tank, added 100GPH filter. 80% WC on fantail tank. Pearscale= Heater, filter, air stone. Fantail= Filter. Fed defrosted frozen peas. Ate with enthusiasm. Nov. 28- 60% WC on peascale tank. 50% WC on fantail tank. Fed pre-soaked sinking pellets. Ate with enthusiasm. Still sinking. Waiting on medicated food. Nov. 29- Meto-Meds arrived. Fed normal pellets in a.m. Ate with enthusiasm. 50% WC both tanks. Condition unchanged. Nov. 30- Fed Metro-Meds in a.m, ate with enthisiasm. 80% WC on pearscale 50% on fantail. Dec. 1- Fed Metro-Meds in a.m, ate with enthusiasm. 50% WC both tanks. No change. Dec. 2- Fed Metro-Meds in a.m, are with enthusiasm. Water change to be done later today. Pics:
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I gave them peas today, they eagerly ate them up! I also got a new filter. Did a 90% WC on the tank without a filter before putting it in. Then I did an 80% on the other tank. Still gotta get epsom salt. No change in behavior or condition.
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I am willing to do as many water changes as it takes. @___@ I am a firm believer in keeping my water CLEAN and STABLE. 50% daily it is then. I am totally able to get a new filter, it may take a few days though. At latest the end of the week, if all goes well. Once again, thank you guys for your help.
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Thank you. After someone pointed that out I figured.
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Metromeds are a medicated food that is the gold standard for treating dropsy. You can buy them at goldfishconnection.com http://www.goldfishc...uctId=9&catId=5 If you are unable to order them here we also have a member who has generously offered to ship a small portion of meds for just the cost of shipping. Let us know which option would work best for you You guys are so wonderful. I am able to buy the meds myself but thank you SO MUCH for the offer. I just ordered the 8oz one now. Just got done with the water change on the pearscales tank too... should I do it on the fantails as well? Or is he ok? If I don't get an answer today I'll just go ahead and do a 100% change, no harm in that. Just as a precaution. Also, I planned on doing the pea treatment for both of them. Is this still worth it or should I skip that? Pics of the poo. Is it strange that I got excited seeing their poo this morning?! Haha. I was just worried about if they had parasites as well or not. Pearscale Fantail As promised, videos! Well, video, because I can't get the other one to upload for now. http://s113.beta.pho...G_1120.mp4.html
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I have Tetra Parasite gaurd, which has metronidazole and praziquantel and some other anti parasitics. But I saw their poo today and it looks normal. I haven't heard of Metro-Meds. UGHAHSJKAHJKS I can never tell if pearscales have dropsy or not! They all look like they have dropsy to me. Otherwise I would have never added the salt Ug. Ok so 100% water changes to get the salt out. I don't have epsom salt but I can get some and do a bath. For both or just the pearscale? Thank you for the replies.
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* Ammonia Level (tank): 1.0 * Nitrite Level (tank) 0.0 * Nitrate level (Tank) 40.00 * Ammonia Level (Tap): 0.0 * Nitrite Level (Tap) 0.0 * Nitrate level (Tap) 0.0 * Ph Level, (Tank) (If possible, KH, GH and chloramines) 7.8 * Ph Level, (Tap) (If possible, KH, GH and chloramines)7.5 Other Required Info: * Brand of test-kit used and whether strips or drops? API master test kit liquid drops. * What is the name and "size of the filter"(s)? Aquaclear 200 (up to 50gals 200GPH) * What kind of water additives or conditioners? Sera brand, not sure what it's called exactly. * Water temperature? Unknown, no heater * How often do you change the water and how much? Previously 25% once a month (if that) then weekly. * How many days ago was the last water change and how much did you change? Unknown * Tank size (how many gals.) and how long has it been running? 20 gallons, a year. * How many fish in the tank and their size? 2 approx. 5" * What do you feed your fish and how often? Omega One sinking goldfish pellets. They were really small though. * Any new fish added to the tank? No. * Any medications added to the tank? Unknown. * List previous issues experienced (dropsy, SBD, etc.) SBD, sinking. * Any unusual findings on the fish such as "grains of salt," bloody streaks, frayed fins or fungus? * Any unusual behavior like staying at the bottom, not eating, etc.? See above. * List entire medication/treatment history for fish and tank. Please include salt, Prazi, PP, etc and the approximate time and duration of treatment. Unknown, I suspect nothing. The information above is for BEFORE I got the fish. As it stands their current set up is this. * Ammonia Level (tank): 0.0 * Nitrite Level (tank) 0.0 * Nitrate level (Tank) 0.0 * Ammonia Level (Tap): 0.0 * Nitrite Level (Tap) 0.0 * Nitrate level (Tap) 0.0 * Ph Level, (Tank) (If possible, KH, GH and chloramines) 7.5 * Ph Level, (Tap) (If possible, KH, GH and chloramines) 7.5 Other Required Info: * Brand of test-kit used and whether strips or drops? API master test kit liquid drops. * What is the name and "size of the filter"(s)? Aquaclear 200 (up to 50gals 200GPH) on one, nothing on another. * What kind of water additives or conditioners? Nutrafin water conditioner. * Water temperature? 70F * How often do you change the water and how much? Currently going to do 50% weekly on the filtered tank and 50% twice weekly on the unfiltered until I get a filter. * How many days ago was the last water change and how much did you change? n/a * Tank size (how many gals.) and how long has it been running? Two 20 gallons, running for a day but used old filter media in the one with a filter. * How many fish in the tank and their size? 1 goldfish per tank, approx. 5" * What do you feed your fish and how often? Going to do the pea treatment then switch to Omega One medium goldfish pellets (presoaked) and frozen bloodworms. * Any new fish added to the tank? No. * Any medications added to the tank? Aquarium salt (1tbsp per 5 gallons) * List previous issues experienced (dropsy, SBD, etc.) SBD (sinking) * Any unusual findings on the fish such as "grains of salt," bloody streaks, frayed fins or fungus? * Any unusual behavior like staying at the bottom, not eating, etc.? See above. * List entire medication/treatment history for fish and tank. Please include salt, Prazi, PP, etc and the approximate time and duration of treatment. Just the salt. Ok, so, preface. I just recieved (a few hours ago) two fancy goldfish from a customer at my job. I work at a pet store. I'm not going into much detail about who I got them from or anything like that online. But let's say the conditions were less than ideal. The customer could no longer take care of them and I offered to take them. They used to be in a 5gal, then after a year or so upgraded to a 20gal. It had a filter, air stones, pea gravel, and a plastic smooth stone decoration. The owner had problems with green water and the fish sinking and was completely at a loss as to what to do (even with proper advice...) and they just were fed up so I offered to take the fish. So they are currently in two bare bottom 20 gallon tanks. One has a filter and an air stone, the other has a heater and an air stone but no filter. I will obviously get a filter asap. I did some reading about SBD and I know it can be caused by anything and may be chronic. If worst comes to worst they get X rays, possibly aspirate some air, and harnesses to manage it. My HOPE is that it was caused by nitrate poisoning and will go away with clean water and time. So, questions: What is this clear bubble on the pearscales side? Is the pearscale bloated or just deformed? Is 50% twice weekly ok for water changes on the unfiltered tank? Water test results: Them in the bucket: Setting up the tanks (incomplete in this pic) The pearscale is SO deformed. The fantail seems to have a small sore on his side, probably from sinking into pea gravel: Videos coming soon.
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Vicky Chai Tea replied to dfernandez77's topic in Goldfish Photos / Videos
It seems like you're having a algae problem! lol Lotsa green. Cute fish, but I feel bad for the upside down one.