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  1. CURRENT CONDITIONS: All tested with API Freshwater Master Test Kit TANK ONE: (5 gallon/ 1 fish/ tetra whisper 1-3 filter/no meds/treated with Amquel Plus and NovAqua Plus/white spots or "grains of salt", small wound which seems to be healing/normal behavior) Ammo= 0.25 Nitrite= 0 Nitrate= 10 PH= 8.2 TANK TWO: (5 gallon/ 1 fish/ tetra whisper 1-3 filter/no meds/treated with Amquel Plus and NovAqua Plus/frayed & flaking fin & tail on fish/laying on bottom and not eating) Ammo= 0.25 Nitrite= 0 Nitrate= 10 PH= 8.2 MAIN TANK: (29 gallon/ zero fish now-had 6/ marineland penguin 200 bio-wheel filter/still has QuickCure, Melafix and Pimafix in water/treated with API Tap Water Conditioner/prior to death 4 fish had mixture of white spots and frayed fins/prior to death 4 fish were bahving normally/other 2 fish were moved to Tanks One and Two) Ammo= 0 Nitrite= 0 Nitrate= 20 PH= 8.2 MY TAP WATER BEFORE ADDING ANYTHING AT ALL TO IT: Ammo= 0.25 Nitrite= 0 Nitrate= 20 PH= 7.8 MY TAP WATER WITH AMQUEL PLUS AND NOVAQUA PLUS ADDED TO IT: Ammo= 0.25 Nitrite= 0 Nitrite= 10 PH= 7.8 At this point I have a few questions. I would like to salt as suggested by a few people. I read Trinket's How To Salt. Questions are: 1) is it okay to still since Ammo is not at zero since my tap water comes out at the level of 0.25? I don't know how TO get it to zero. The only reason the MAIN tank is at zero is because it cycled and has been running 5 months and when I add tap water to it it removes the ammo 2) is it okay to salt if the temp in the tanks is 70 degrees? I can't raise it. I don't have any sort of heater (I was told I didn't need one because goldfish are coldwater fish) and without a heater there is no way to raise it to 80 and have it stay there. I can leave the aquarium lights on to get a few degrees higher but you also said they like the dark when trying to heal and 3) If it is okay to salt is API Aquarium Salt okay? And do I still use the proportions of 1 teaspoon per gallon because on the box it says 1/2 teaspoon per gallon? Also just wondering what makes the PH go up from 7.8 to 8.2 just by adding it to the tank. Is it the fish being in it???? I think that's it for now. I would love to know if I should salt or not before I go to bed but it doesn't look like I will get a response in time. It's been a long day and I have done nothing but test, change and clean fish tanks and water. : ) At this point I also need to know what to do with the main tank. Dump out the water? Change filter media? I have NO clue. Thanks to all who have helped already. It means a lot. Thanks to all who have commented. I appreciate it soo soo much.
  2. MAIN TANK: CURRENTLY UNOCCUPIED [*]Test Results for the Following: Ammonia Level? 0 Nitrite Level? 0 Nitrate level? 20 Ph Level, (If possible,KH and GH and chloramines)? 8.2 (I know that water in our area is extremely hard but I do not have a hardness or alkalinty test kit) Ph Level (KH/GH) out of the Tap? 7.8 Brand of test-kit used? (strips or drops?) API Freshwater Master Test Kit [*]Tank size (How many Gals) and How long has it been running? 29 gallons, bought January 31, 2008, 1st fish were added February 10, 2008 [*]What is the name and size of the filter/s? Marineland Penguin 200 Bio Wheel [*]How often do you change the water and how much? Was changing about 20% every other day up intil the ammo and nitrite levels dropped and stayed at 0 in the beginning of April. Then 20% weekly. [*]How many fish in the tank and their size? None now. Originally and at most times 6 1inch goldfish. 4 died in the last few days. 2 are left each in it's own seperate 5 gallon QT tanks. I will post current info on both of those tanks in a few minutes. [*]What kind of water additives or conditioners? Variety used over the past 4 months. Typically API Tap Water Conditioner, or Amquel Plus [*]Any medications added to the tank? YES! Over the past week Melafix, PimaFix And QuickCure were added at different times. 4 doses of QuickCure [*]Add any new fish to the tank? Tank had 4 fish a few weeks ago. 2 new fish were put in then. The first died in a few days with growth on his mouth. Then the second got a reddish spot and was moved to QT and is still there. Then the 4 left got white spots and frayed fins. 3 of the original are dead. Only one original left which was moved to QT. No fish left in this tank as of yesterday. [*]What do you feed your fish? Tetra goldfish flakes, peas only 2 days a week. [*]Any unusual findings on the fish such as "grains of salt", bloody streaks, frayed fins or fungus? YES! A combination of the white spots, frayed fins, red streaks while there were fish in the tank. [*]Any unusual behavior like staying at the bottom, not eating,ect..? Yes but again there are no fish left in there now.
  3. No no. I only put them in the bowls for a few minutes while cleaning out the 5 gallons. Basically I just wanted a fresh start because of all the various medications that I had been putting in these tanks. I literally had them in the bowls for a half hour. At this point both the 5 gallon tanks are clean. They have nothing in them but fresh tap water treated with Amquel Plus, gravel, and each have a Whisper Internal Filter 1-3 gallons WITH the carbon filter cartridges. I am going to add an airstone to each as well. There is one fish in each tank and the temperature was matched within a degree or 2. The tanks say 5 gallon but filling them takes 4 gallons. ... I understand what you are saying about the fish being weak at that is why there are being sucked into the filter, but at the same time, whatever the reason for a fish being sucked into a filter, I would think thats a bad thing!! The one fish is so weak right now he can barely pull away from the 1-3 gallon filter, if I were to put the 2-10 gallon one in he would literally be sucked to it. Now I am going to take readings in the main tank to see what is going on in there.
  4. Okay I now have each fish in it's old goldfish bowl with water from the tank it had just been in. No changes have been made. I am ready to fill each with fresh treated tap water, but do I need to clean the tanks or gravel first? If so what should I use? I was told by someone to use vinager and water, someone else said to boil the gravel. Others said just run everything in cool tap water. While I am waiting for a response from someone on here I will just rinse everything in tap water, add new water and try to get it the right temperature and add only Amquel Plus to the water. Then wait to see what I should do next as far as adding salt, filters, carbon etc. I have API aquarium salt. It says to add 1 Tablespoon per 5 gallons.
  5. Tank ******TWO***** Before Changing ANYTHING: Almost identical to tank ONE with a few changes mostly to behavior of fish [*]Test Results for the Following: Ammonia Level? .25 Nitrite Level? 0 Nitrate level? 20 Ph Level, (If possible,KH and GH and chloramines)? 7.8 Ph Level (KH/GH) out of the Tap? Just now tried some 7.6 Brand of test-kit used? (strips or drops?) API Freshwater Master Test Kit [*]Tank size (How many Gals) and How long has it been running? 5 gallons.. (holds 4 gallon water when filled to right amount) It's been set up for one day. I'm using it as a quarentine tank. [*]What is the name and size of the filter/s? Nothing. The fish in the tank is so weak. When I put any kind of filter or air stone in the tank he struggles to not get suctioned to the filter, stuggles to fight the current and starts breathing HEAVILY. Normally Whisper Internal Filter for 1-3 gallons. (as with other tank I used to use the 2-10 gallon but it was too strong for the fish and many fish got sucked into it and died. [*]How often do you change the water and how much? Planned on changing all then doing 50% daily?? If not more? [*]How many fish in the tank and their size? 1 goldfish about 1 inch. [*]What kind of water additives or conditioners? Amquel Plus [*]Any medications added to the tank? Melafix [*]Add any new fish to the tank? N/a [*]What do you feed your fish? He's not eating at all. Trying to give him Jungle Antibacteria fish food [*]Any unusual findings on the fish such as "grains of salt", bloody streaks, frayed fins or fungus? Extremely fraying torn fins. You can see pieces literally coming off. Layer of white gunk on him which appears to be flaking off. Some red streaks. Eyeballs look red and or bulging? [*]Any unusual behavior like staying at the bottom, not eating,ect..? Laying around almost constantly, not eating, no longer swimming to top, breathing heavily
  6. Tank ******ONE***** Before Changing ANYTHING: [*]Test Results for the Following: Ammonia Level? .25 Nitrite Level? 0 Nitrate level? 20 Ph Level, (If possible,KH and GH and chloramines)? 7.8 Ph Level (KH/GH) out of the Tap? Just now tried some 7.6 Brand of test-kit used? (strips or drops?) API Freshwater Master Test Kit [*]Tank size (How many Gals) and How long has it been running? 5 gallons.. (holds 4 gallon water when filled to right amount) only running one day. I'm using it as a quarentine tank. [*]What is the name and size of the filter/s? None right now. Was told to take out the carbon and run the filter which is normally a Whisper Internal Filter for 1-3 gallons. I used to use a Whisper Internal Filter for 2-10 gallons but it was too strong, the fish got sucked to the filter. OR use an airstone. That is what I was using. Just a pump with tubing and an airstone. [*]How often do you change the water and how much? Planned on changing all then doing 50% daily?? If not more? [*]How many fish in the tank and their size? 1 goldfish about 1 inch. [*]What kind of water additives or conditioners? Amquel Plus [*]Any medications added to the tank? Melafiz, Pimafix, Quickcure [*]Add any new fish to the tank? N/a [*]What do you feed your fish? right now Jungle antibiotic fish food [*]Any unusual findings on the fish such as "grains of salt", bloody streaks, frayed fins or fungus? Yes grains of salt, small wound on one side (which is healing) [*]Any unusual behavior like staying at the bottom, not eating,ect..? A bit of laying on the bottom, mostly behaving normally
  7. you mean after I get it all changed initially?
  8. Okay. Here's what I am going to do. Right now there are 2 fish left. They survived the night each in their own 5 gallon tank. For now there are no fish in the main tank so I am not going to even worry about what the readings are. I am going to take Trinkets advice and give them each fresh water. I am going to Amquel PLus and API Aquarium Salt. Then I will take the readings and post what my readings. That seems to be the overall advice and it is also pretty much what I did yesterday and saw improvements. I hope this is the right thing to do. I will be back. Thanks to everyone who is trying to help. Thanks so much.
  9. I meant to post this in Emergency 911, and it showed up in the wrong section. I am new to this and very sorry if I am annoying anyone. I will repost this in Emergency. Thanks
  10. I am gonna give you the basics to see if there is any response then go back in and give the whole backstory. 29 Gallon Tank that has been set up/running since January with a Penguin 200 Filter I believe (the one with the bio wheel) Nice big bubbling ornament. No live plants. At the time it had 6 goldfish in it that were all about 1 inch. It went through the cycling process and after 2-3 months my ammo dropped to zero as well as my nitrite. Not even a trace of either for over a month. Nitrate generally around 20 - 40 range. PH 8.0 - 8.2 (I know that is high but had major problems trying to lower it and was told to let it be because lowering it was causing more damage and stress) Test Kit brand is API Fresh Water Master Test Kit. Was doing 15% water changes weekly AFTER the tank cycled. (While the tank was cycling I was doing 15% every other day after someone informed me I was not changing it often enough and had ammonia stress) Various water conditioners used. Originally TopFin Water Conditioner and a few others, then API Tap Water Conditioner, most recently Amquel Plus. Typically I feed my fish flake food but i give them peas a few days a week. After the whole process I was left with 3 fish. I am now learning that would have been a great number (if not one too many??) fish for that size tank. However I did not know that at the time. I was told 6 would be a good number. So I bought one new fish and added him. I do not know the types of fish. I know one was a black moore. Other than that I can only say "fancy". After a week with no problems I bought 2 more. I had planned on getting one that week and one the next but the guy said 2 would be fine. I picked out 2 fish and brought them home and added them. Wish I had just bought the one because it turns out the one we picked out second got mouth fungus or cotton mouth or whatever the proper term is. He died within 2 days but at the time I did not know what it was. I honestly believed he had torn his face up on a rock or something it was so sudden. A few days went by. I thought nothing. So I thought okay. I will buy one last fish since my 6th had died. After adding him to the tank he was fine for a few days then developed a red spot. Looked like it was torn or ripped. I took a photo and took it to the local pet store. I was told he had some sort of bacteria infection and to quarentine him in an old 5 gallon tank I had and give him melafix and pimafix. Also to give him jungle antibacterial fish food. The guy also showed me a fish with tail rot, and a fish with ich and said "be aware of fish that look like this in the future". I watched the fish in the small tank. He did so well. Never acted sick at all. But a few days after I moved him I saw the dreaded white spots on one of the fish in the main tank. Literally overnight he appeared to be covered in salt as everyone describes it. I called the pet store back and was told to treat the main tank with QuickCure and change the water 25% every other day. I was told not to treat the small one with QuickCure. Just keep doing the melafix and pimafix. That felt wrong to me. They had told me to fill his quarentine tank with water from the main tank. So I knew he had the same disease filled water. So I treated that tank with QuickCure as well. The also told me do NOT add Melaifx to the main tank. However most things I read online said you must add some sort of antibacteria med to treat or prevent secondary infecton. I couldnt decide so i chose NOT to add it. At that point all 6 fish were swimming actively eating normally and breathing normally but they had the spots. The one black moore (Pieshy Shishy-we've got some weird names so beware)had it ALL over. The second black moore (Puff The Magic Shishy) had a good number of spots on his back fins only. The multi colored one (Moltha Stewart) had like 5 spots total. The Orange one (Benji) had 2 spots total and the orange and white fish (Sumpin' Else) had none (that were visible I mean). The fish in the small tank (Sheldon) had none either. I dosed the tank with QuickCure at around 9 pm. (this was about an hour after the spots appeared) The next morning Pieshy Shishy was dead. Sumpin Else was laying on the bottom and the other three appeared the same as before. Sheldon was fine as well. So the next night I gave another dose of QuickCure. (I was told give the medicine until the spots are gone). Next morning. Sumpin Else looks TERRIBLE but alive and still no spots, Moltha and Puff start laying around, gasping for air etc. No spot changes. Benji still doing awesome. Sheldon still good too. So I do the 25% water change as told. Next night another dose of medication. Next morning all 4 fish look pretty bad. Benji is still the best , Sumpin is still the worst. Puff begins showing badly frayed fins. I added a dose of Melafix because it appeared to be fin/tail rot. At this point Sheldon begins to show signs of stress and lays around more. That is when I notice the first spot on him. On one hand I was glad that I had added QuickCure even though I was told not to. On the other hand I start freaking out that the medicine is hurting them not helping them. And started doing major online reading. Most things say "dose 10 days" "minimum of 10 days". Stuff like that. I called 3 pet stores. All told me to KEEP MEDICATING. Part of me was tempted to take the remaining 4 out and just put them in unmedicated water but being that everything says not to I left them alone. At some point that day the spots began to go away on the fish. I add the 4th dose of QuickCure that night. Next morning (this morning) I find Benji (who never really displayed signs of sickness at all and only ever got 2 spots) and Puff The Magic Shishy are dead. Their spots gone. Sumpin Else looked dead but moved when I started to remove her. Her tail had started to fray badly as well. And she had red streaks in her tail that was remaining. I flipped out and did a 50% water change in both the main tank and small tank. Hours later I find Moltha Stewart dead as well. Her spots gone. This leaves one Sumpin Else in the main tank (who got sick the earliest amd never had any spots) and Sheldon in the small tank. Against everyones advice I filled another 5 gallon tank with Tap Water treated with Amquel Plus. I put Sumpin Else in it. Nothing else but a little gravel. No filter. Nothing. And did a 50% water change in Sheldon's tank (who at this point is covered in spots but overall active and normal!! And his intial wound that got him in the small tank is healing). I had to take my boyfriend to the airport so I was running around like a fool for a few hours. When I got home Sumpin Else was slightly better for the first time in days. And Sheldon was almost perfect. So WHAT NOW?! Every website, store worker, article has contradictory information. No 2 stories alike. I realize I must treat the ich but the ich medicine seems to be hurting them. I actually went to another pet store tonight. This girl said "Goldfish can not get Ich. In all cases I have known it has been a case of fin or tail rot". I thought to myself "she's NUTS! EVERY WEBSITE SAYS GOLDFISH get ich!!". Yet this is the only person this whole time who has actually stood and talked to me for a LONG period of time. She seemed very knowlegeable, very experienced, very smart and very caring. She recommended I leave the fish in the 2 small tanks, add some salt. Give them melafix if I wanted to (but she said that was not a MUST), and do extra extra water changes. And to make sure the 2 smalls tank have flowing water. It's been a few hours. Sheldon seems soooo good, but has spots everywhere. But is swimming and eating and responsive. Sumpin Else has actually come up to eat and started swimming occasionally. Her tail is badly damaged. WHAT now?! How can I make the correct decision if every website I read says my fish have ich and the only person who makes ANY sence that I talk to in person says Goldfish can not get ich. She says she has been working fish departments for years. She has many many successful tanks. Is she RIGHT?! I found ONE page on google that supported what she said. Just one. A guy wrote something about "I work for a science lab - goldfish cannot contract ich" All I know is.. The fish all seemed fine (except for the spotty appearance) until I medicated them for ich. Then all got terribly bad or dead while medicated them for ich. Then only made a slight improvement in a non medicated small tank. And sadly yes this is the short version. The long version includes the problems leading up to this getting the tank cycled, and the original problems with a goldfish bowl. Basically its just been dead fish after fish and I honestly am depressed about it. I've had them for such a small period but I have become extremely attached. It's actually just incredibly sad to watch them in pain, and to lose them. I just want to save Sheldon and Sumpin Else and I don't know how because everyone says something different. I am unsure of everything I do, and every move I make. The only thing I am semi sure of is that that fish with the mouth fungus was the start of the problems and I really really wish I had chosen to get just one fish that day. Pleaase help me!!
  11. Thank you for a welcome and for a response. I didn't even know this had showed up. I had started to write, then actually left my computer and when I came back to start writing the page was gone. So I went on and wrote another post never realizing this one was even posted! Good news is, before I even saw what you wrote I already wrote the "long version". Any advice and help would be appreciated. Thank you so much!
  12. Hi. I am fairly new to fishkeeping. I have been having huge problems with my tank ever since I bought it. I can give a short version and a long version. If you have time read the long version. I will go into as much detail as I can because there have been so many problems. I will also give a short version because I know most of you don't have a whole day to devote to answering someone's goldfish questions!!!
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