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  1. What else though? I have put salt, tap water conditioner and Para-Cide. Fish still going crazy. He was very round and now I can see the belly part is flat... it's literally like a flat tire. I am afraid he's going through what my red lionhead went through where the lice seemed to suck all of his belly content... I'm curious though, do you STILL face the same issues? Or was it a thing in the past? If all your goldies are healthy now, what is it you do different than I do? Let me know. So in the future, if I am to buy another goldfish, I should put them in quarantine tank with all the same water parameters from the tank + Prazi to kill the parasites/ lice? How long should they be in the quarantine tank? God, I just want healthy goldfish. Going 2+ months with sick goldies is no fun... it's like going to hospital for two months visiting the sick one and you know they're not getting better. Would life be fun? No, especially if they're close to you.
  2. ^Okay I'm very frustrated... we've gone 10 pages in this thread, and I have yet to see the clear answer on this "disease". At first you and CountryLovah (the only two actively offering your advices) said it was flukes, so I ordered Prazi, then it was lice, so I got Para-Cide and treated Para-Cide... fish going okay for one week and then it goes like that again. And you asked me if I did a post mortem exam which I didn't... now my frustration is... IS THIS FLUKES, LICE, OR SOME OTHER FRICKIN WORMS INSIDE THE BODY (YOU ASKED ME IF I SAW INSIDE THE BODY)?? CAN I HAVE ONE CLEAR ANSWER, INSTEAD OF "IT'S FLUKES, GO TREAT IT, NO NO IT'S LICE, GO TREAT IT, DID YOU DISSECT THE BODY TO FIND WHAT'S WRONG WITH IT"? SO IT'S NOT EITHER FLUKES OR LICE NOW? Not specifically directing this to you or CountryLovah, but to my frustration. If goldie has so many diseases although I don't consider myself a bad owner, providing clear water treated with water conditioner, salt, and now medication. I don't exactly put mud in the tank and put goldies in there to live in the mud... if they're so prone to diseases when I have been so caring... what the heck more can I do?? We've gone 10 pages in this thread, and I thought it was lice, now you asked me if I dissected the fish to find what's wrong with it... so it's not lice now? Again, no offense intended, if you're offended, I'm sorry... but again, it's just frustration. This has been going on since new year, it's safe to say little or much, my life in 2010 has been quite affected by it... I wouldn't say positively.
  3. ^I wouldn't understand if I dissected him anyway... but I noticed he was covered with a brown slime layer on some part of his body... I don't understand this... ammonia and nitrite should be 0 as I still do 25% water change daily, nitrate should be 5ppm. pH is around 7.0. Para-Cide is still active... salt is 0.15%. I really really don't know what I should do more... now as I'm typing this my pearl is going upside down staring at me... he's really suffering. I don't know what the heck this is nnnnn all about.
  4. Hi guys, just update, my black ranchu passed away two days ago, I'm not sure why, but he refused any type of food three days ago, and he had slight pinecone. When he died, the body lost the black colour and turned gold... it's a sad moment, he was my first fish in this set up Then just today, after one week of looking fine and healthy, I caught my pearl flashing again and he was sputtering on the bottom... going upside down, etc... basically the same old symptom... although after 3 weeks plus of medication (Para-Cide), I never stopped it (only SLIGHTLY reduced the dose). I fear for the worst now... he's looking fine now, but as always he seems to lose focus at times, he often swims past foods instead of snatching them although he clearly wants to eat, he just "misses" the targets...
  5. Yes, unlike other fish who "recovered" and then died... my pearl recovered and truly recovered. My black ranchu is still lying on the bottom sand, moving slightly, but has appetite, and looks pretty healthy... just that weakness from the illness still lingering.
  6. Thanks for your attention guys! My pearl is back to begging food from surface again after so long :) Black ranchu is still lying weak on the bottom, it's as if he doesn't have the lift to swim... poor boy but I can see him gaining more strength and his stomach is not as skinny as it was one week ago. I do 25% water change everyday
  7. Good news is my pearl just came to surface after hesitating about it... he ate from my finger again after so long!! My blackie is still weak and I have to feed him in the fish net. He seems eager for food and ate 4-5 soaked pellets without throwing up, but when I was about to place him back to the bottom, he threw out all the foods. Next time, I'd better wait until he swallows all and puts him back. But overall, they're all in better condition now, especially pearlie. Last lice spotted was a few days ago actually, it was near pearl tail section... but still on his body. It was pretty big, so I actually killed it (I think I did) by pinching it using my long nails (which I hadn't clipped then), didn't scratch the pearl, so... --- My question is: if I start from scratch in the future... how should I quarantine the fish? Should I treat the water with Para-Cide or is Prazi enough? And then salt at what concentration? How long? Is quarantining goldie the same as other tropical fish like guppies, etc? Thanks for answering
  8. I'm doing Para-Cide up to now... I have put them back to the old 16" cube tank... so 25% water change (20 ltr) every day, and new dose of 1/2 tablet for every water change. Salt concentration is 0.15%. Good news is considering the condition they were in 1-2 weeks ago, they're in much better shape now: - Pearl: doesn't do any flashing only rare "running"... he's eating fine, although he no longer goes to surface to beg for food. I have to sink the foods... but he eats like a horse. He appears to be "distracted" sometimes, like losing his target on the sinking pellet... but seems to be in good health now. I can still see 2 small transparent dots on his tail. - Black ranchu: after 2 weeks of rejecting foods, now he's eating... not even throwing out anymore! But he's still weak and can't swim... only lay on the bottom everyday... I have to put him in the fish net to feed him... and I mildly rub his body and "fan" him at times just to care for him... etc. They're doing better now... but I still do medication until they completely recover... or should I stop now, considering I have done it for two full weeks now?
  9. My red lionhead just passed away today... he was still moving barely He's such a good boy even near death, he never panicked just slowly went about... I felt hopeless. The stomach is so empty is like the parasites really sucked all of his stomach content and all is left is just skin and bone in the stomach area. He's the reddest goldie I've ever seen. In fact, I'd probably never seen a intense red colour anywhere like that... it's like true red. I've been spending my last couple of days trying to understand them better... what caused my pearlie to be so panicky when I approach near the tank. Trying to think what they might think about everything now: their sickness, their situation, food, me, etc. As a result, I can approach the tank now and put my hand in and he's calm. So I am down from 6 fish to 2 fish now: - Pearl: is doing a lot better, some scales are still raised, but he eats fine just not from the surface yet/ my finger. Interacts and gives me a few bites when my hand goes near him. - Black ranchu: he was laying on the bottom on his side all week and refused all foods... this morning I found him to be laying on his stomach in upright position, so I think he's getting better... he just won't move. And I tried to force feed him in the fish net... and although he still throws them up, at least half didn't come out. So I fed him about 4-5 pellets in the morning, and then another round this evening. --- I still do 25% water change with Prime water conditioner and white Aquarium Salt (0.15%) every day and still dose with Para-Cide. But I believe, just like humans in sickness, medication is intended to fight bad bacterias and close the wound... but the real recovery is from internal strength... and I try to make sure they have internal strength to make recovery. Such internal strength, I believe, comes from: - Food... without energy, you just won't recover from any illness. When you're sick you have to eat like normal ppl. - Interaction with others... in this case, it would be me. I try to be like my mother when I was sick and she was always attentive when I was laying on the bed... making sure I felt "safe" and "everything is going to be alright". I don't mean to be a fish whisperer, but I hope I can go close to that to provide more for my fish. Thanks for asking CountryLovah, I hope things get better from here
  10. Thanks CountryLovah I've been quite sad for some time... I really don't know what else to do. Considering I had been considering myself as one of the freshwater experts for some time... and this hits and I can't do anything to save them... makes me pretty lousy. If Para-Cide doesn't even help them, what on earth can I do? It also sucks as I find out that these diseases really kill my passion of fish keeping... why should I keep animals that are gonna die in my hands/ under my care? But the worst is to think that I used to think fish was my one of my biggest passions and when this hits, I began to lose my "passion", which means it was never really a passion. Because a passion is true when you can take the good and the bad. I wouldn't lie, I have thought of just crushing the fish with my hands so they can die quickly than suffering like this... just grab a hammer and instant death than this... and hopefully they're reborn as a human. This sounds all negative but it's pretty much what';s going on in the last 4 weeks.
  11. ^I already described the tank dimension, it's 4' x 18" x 18" (255 litres/ 67 US gallons)... But you have to consider: - the amount of sand I put in - the fact the water is not full to the top - the glass thickness... as these cut the water volume... So considering the three factors above, the real dimension of water (not tank) is 47.5" x 14.45" x 16" which makes the net water volume 180 litres/ 47.3 US gallons. HOLY SHYT! 180 litres means 4.5 tablets... I've been dosing with 5 tablets. Oh well... it's not that much of a difference I guess... as actually the fish still flash and I can still see some mini lice on my pearl's tail fin. Salt level = 0.15%. Condition of my black ranchu is bad, he seems to get weaker and weaker... I don't think he'll last long.
  12. My juvenile red cap oranda died this morning. She also followed the same path the other two fish who died before her: sick, recovered healthy with massive appetite (but I never fed them too much), and then 2-3 days later got sick again/ worse than before, and died. At this rate, I Kind of hope the sick fish now don't "recover" because it usually means death in 2-3 days. All the three fish that died now also happen to be all females although I doubt sex had anything to do with their deaths. Now all remaining in the tank is the 3 males: - Pearl: pineconing and just freaks out everytime I approach the tank... not eating - Red lionhead: body condition still looks terrible... similar to a human being bashed by several people in a fight... internal blood on the head, near tail and all over body... but he might have the best condition of all the fish in the tank because despite the condition he still looks for food and eats when I feed him in the fish net - Black ranchu: doesn't have strength to swim normally... laying on sand on his side and getting thinner and thinner, unlike red lionhead, doesn't have appetite and throws up everything I feed him. He's losing black colour, he used to be very black, true black all over his body, now I can see the black colour fading into gold and I can see the scales normally unseen --- I never used Prazi, only Para-Cide at 5 tablets dose for my 224 litres tank (1 tab for 40 litres). This stuff is quite strong btw I put my hand in and it developed immediate red rashes on my forearm. pH is tested at 7.0 ammonia 0 nitrite 0 nitrate 10ppm
  13. ^No unusual symptom just went from "recovered with huge appetite and bright eyes, and happy goldfish" to contracting the same disease... and she went hiding into the glass cup and she was unresponsive for nearly a day, when I pulled her out, she didn't move at all... and just died. Para-cide dose is still 5 tablets. My method of changing the water is take out 40 ltrs out and put new 40 ltrs in and 1 new tablet (since 1 tablet is for 40 litres).
  14. Prazi just arrived yesterday. But I guess it's too late, my bubble eye passed away yesterday following the exact same path of my white lionhead, who was in a terrible state, recovered healthy with huge appetite, and then went back sick worse than before and died. So now, there're 4 fish in the tank: - Pearl: ballooning and I can see slight pineconing on his body. - Red lionhead: condition is still terrible but he's still quite active vacuuming sand and ate some food yesterday - Black ranchu: condition is not getting better, throws up food being fed to him. - Red cap oranda: is now healthy, looking like a healthy fish, vacuuming sand, going to surface, eating fine... but could be following the same path of my bubble eye, and white lionhead.
  15. ^Thanks CountryLovah, always appreciate your input. And thanks Badfish for your encouragement, maybe that's what I needed. Lupin, good news is the giant lice on my bubbleeye's tail seems to be gone... it has unattached itself, maybe dies after I dosed with Para-Cide. And my juvenile red cap oranda seems to be healthier and healthier, eating although occasionally still throws up some foods. Pearlie is also getting better. Now the bad news: - Bubble eye seems to be missing some scales... and I caught her flashing for the first time in about 4 days. Just like my white lionhead who suffered very bad and recovered with huge appetite and looked healthy, and suddenly it got bad again all of a sudden (worse than the first time) and then she died. I fear now my bubble eye is heading the same direction, but she doesn't look sick. - Black ranchu seems helpless and lying on his side at the bottom all day, breathing slightly hard (but not gasping), but he looks fine. The body looks bright black as always, and clear. - The worst condition is my red lionfish. To be honest, I don't think he would make it. I have never seen a goldfish suffer from a scale disfigure as this one. I thought dropsy looks gross, but this one looks twice as bad. It looks like the lice and parasites are literally eating him from inside. His bright red body is replaced with darkish tint red like he's bleeding from inside... and if dropsy fish are balooning, he is getting thinner and thinner... actually to the point where I scooped him this morning, that I could see his skeleton's shape on the belly part!!! If you have seen marine fish "box/cowfish" where they have outer skeleton like crabs, looking boxy (thus the name boxfish), he is turning like a box!!! I'm not kidding. Looks like the lice have really eaten and sucked all of his belly content that nothing is left and from the normal plump looking goldfish to a skeleton boxy shaped goldfish. He has also raised a few scales so the pinecone is back, although not as bad. The Hikari is Goldfish Gold. I think it's a new product they have... its pack is small and the pellet size is so small (about 1+mm). I also have Hikari Oranda Gold. I think I'll buy garlic juice.
  16. I'll do exactly what you said. I think I spotted a BIG fish lice on my bubble eye tail, it looks like a drop of water on a table... like 4mm in diameter... transparent! However, I don't have a tweezer... can I use my bare hand? Should I still use Prazi? ###### thing could be really lost by now... I'm pretty sure of it... Australia Post is usually reliable. I'm an eBay trader, ships and receives items regularly by mail... I have never, in the last two years, not received or lost an item. It's actually very reliable. If what Louise said about Brisbane system messing up, that could be, but it's also rare. - pH tested this morning: 7.2 - Did 75% water change yesterday, so ammonia should be 0, nitrite 0, nitrate:?? - I have been feeding Hikari pellets (Hikari Goldfish Gold, Hikari Wheat-Germ, Hikari Lionfish sinking, frozen food for Goldfish, frozen bloodworms). Any other suggestions for sick fish/ that build up their health? - You mean the garlic we use for cooking? Just crush it and "apply" it, or should I just throw it in the soaking bowl when the pellets are soaked?
  17. I got Para-Cide today One tab treats 40 litres... mine is about 225 litres, so I was supposed to put in 5 5/8 tabs, but just put 5 tabs in. I tried to dissolve the tablets first, but some of them did not dissolve properly and when I put the mixture in, my red cap oranda thought it was food and just took quick munches of the undissolved parts... is this okay? I hope this puts an end to all the drama... I have also done 75% water change yesterday after numerous water changes the previous day. So I'm pretty sure whatever remaining of the Aquasonic yellow salt is gone. I allowed about 24 hrs for my fish to rest from salt changes... so they were in salt-less water for 24 hrs, then I just put in about 0.1% new white aquarium salt (although the brand is also Aquasonic lol)... I will up the level to about 0.25% over the next three days. One question: now that it is treated with Para-Cide, how should I do water change? Thanks for answering... --- Update on fish: - Red cap oranda: looking a lot better, although body still looks terrible... missing scales and pinkish body... but she hasn't looked this good for days and ate foods and constantly active and vacuum the sand for foods... is having healthy appetite - Pearl: is also looking a lot better, but still flashes sometimes. I'm concerned that when I scopped him with my hand, the rear part of his belly shows a bit of raised scale/ pinecone. - Bubbleeye: still the pig of the tank, but tends to bottom sit unless there's food around - Red lionhead: pinecone is back but not as bad as it was previously. Very slight pinecone. But I can't help but notice he looks smaller and smaller by the day... he's a true red colour, even more red looking than >> so there's also black-ish colours on his skin and around the head... like it's blood. Still no appetite. - Black ranchu: condition is worsening... as I type this he's lying on the bottom on his side... he's looking weaker and weaker... but body is still as black as ever... no appetite.
  18. Thanks Trinket, I'm gonna get Para-cide tomorrow and kill these "annoying pests". I don't think I can do drying thing though... it's just too much effort... I have things to do. My mind is exhausted from having to deal with this the last couple of weeks... the daily water change twice... etc. So if Prazi can't kill lice, can Para-cide kill both lice and parasites? Do I need to buy Prazi if I get Para-cide? Thanks
  19. So I just say "Dimilin" and they will know what I'm talking about? Do I get it from a fish store or pharmacy? Are they expensive? Trinket, the sand I use is not the sand you find in beach... this is very fine white rock, the size of rough kitchen salt. They're heavy, so when you stir them in the water, they settle quickly without clouding the water. Obviously, when bought first time, they were a bit cloudy, so just like you cook rice, you rinse the rice first, throw out the cloudy water, and so I kept doing it until it's clean and nothing floats. I'd been using the same sand when they were in the 16" cube tank too... but of course when I moved them to the 4' tank, I threw out the sand to the bin... I don't think using the same sand from old tank to new tank is a good idea. Bacteria would have died when I remove them. I have also kept marine tank before, and I'm positive this is not the sand they use for marine set ups... that'd be live sand that looks brownish, and this is not live at all and looks clean white. I understand your concern, because the live sand they use for marine setup is very light and it takes long time when the sand is disturbed to settle back on the bottom. This one is heavy and it settles down quickly.
  20. Lupin, thanks a lot, what you said is spot on... you didn't give up when I almost did lol... Cuz I've spent more in the past two weeks than I had in the first 6 months... my expense is reminding me of my marine setups... I remember when I spent $1000 north just for a pitiful 15 gallon tank and two fish. And now this Prazi stuff is stressing me out... I am also considering moving out of my apartment, having to pay new bond before my current bond is returned by this current apartment. And I am investing to buy a house within one year. These $20, $25, $15, $30, $16 expenses are getting to me and they're not getting better. I jsut bought another aquarium salt CountryLovah suggested. And I have to buy more? Where am I supposed to get: - Dimilin (diflubenzuron)-For fish lice. - Triple Sulfa-Considered by Sue. Effective for pH at least 7.6 and higher. - Tetracycline-Effective at 7.0 (that is if nakedsnake doesn't increase pH yet) - Medicated foods-Not an option for finicky eaters except perhaps for bubble eye. Sorry to be a pain when you're only trying to help but these are killing me. I am seriously thinking about returning all of them to my pet store... maybe the lady who cares about the goldies can treat them better... and sell them again when they are healthy. These back to back to back happenings are turning me off... the fish not getting better, the Prazi not arriving, the fish lice, the water change, the fish stressing out whenever I approach the tank to check their conditions, and in turn stressing me out too... I seriously skipped my lunch just to change water and have enough time to pack an item for an eBay buyer and post in time before the Australia Post closes.
  21. I'm positive fish lice are involved here... I vacuum my sand thoroughly every time... besides it's not like they're thick... they're thin layer and easily cleaned by going through line by line. I'm very thorough in cleaning it. Actually I remember one thing... that when I prepared the 4' tank for that one week (so when they were still living in the 16" cube tank), whenever I did water change I threw in the dirty water to the 4' tank, so there are remains, bacteria from the cube tank to be introduced to the 4' tank... We cannot check Express posts/ packages as they're not registered in the system. Only Registered posts/ packages can be traced/ located. I know this because I also sell items on eBay and regularly use Australia Post service. Louise, I am pretty sure (if the system is wrong) it must be on Brisbane end not my area... because in the past one week, I received three packages just fine, a gaming console, two thick books, and an aquarium light. None of them were Express posted though... just regular and registered posted. Trinket, in the past one week, the temperature has been quite cold actually... like 20-25 degrees Celcius.
  22. Hi Louise, I checked my mailbox and still no Prazi Lupin, yeah they're similar at least on my pearl. The one on my bubble eye is actually white, but I'm positive the fin edges on her tail is green looking. - In smaller 16" cube tank, my black ranchu was the first fish he was there from May (6 months), bubble eye came second from June (5+ months), then white lionhead (5 months), then pearl (4 months), then the last addition was red cap oranda (3 weeks) before I moved them to the 4' tank. - They were pretty much juvenile, considering how large a goldie can get... the longest was my lionhead measured about 3.25". - Yes, the filters used were different. There were two of them: one was a small internal filter using the black foam Aqua One filter (not carbon) positioned to blow the water at the surface so it creates water turbulence to improve water ability to take in more oxygen, and another was a small hang on the side filter I used using a small thin normal Aqua One white foam filter. --- Sorry if I'm venting here... but I remember when I was 5-6 yrs old keeping goldfish with my sister... we used only tap water! We didn't understand aquarium salt, aquarium conditioner... we used only tap water!!! We did not have filter, we only use air pump to oxygenate the water. We never soaked the pellets, we used the pellet for months and months. And most of the time, we change the water only when it turns green (it received direct sunlight). The tank was a 10 gallon and we had 2 fish. They're so healthy, they laid eggs. And my friend had this 5 gallon tank where he used to keep 8 juvenile goldies and one of them died one by one and finally until the last one lived and grew very big in that 5 gallon tank. I became friends with him long after his fish became big. I mean... how come when we did not give them care, they seem to thrive? And when we add this salt, that water conditioner, add this, add that, test this water, test that water, they became sicker and sicker? I reckon my mistake was starting the 4' tank without adding any bacteria to cycle... I just left the tank for one week, thinking it was "ready" for the fish. So I removed them from the cube tank to the big tank all 5 of them at once... I think this was the crucial mistake. Those of you thinking the addition of fish #5 red cap oranda was the culprit, the pet store has a lot of fish and has sold for many years. I also bought fish #3 white lionhead there... and he did not have any parasite. How come when we did not care for the fish, they seem to live healthy and just fine? Now I'm doing this and that, and their conditions do not improve???
  23. My goodness, the first one looks freaky... you can see the lice's eyes... which seem cartoonic... but freaky!!! I can't really see up close... I guess I'll look really hard in the morning... now is 2:16 AM here, don't really wanna disturb the housemates. But it should be the first one... as I don't think I spotted anything on their bodies... just on the tail. If this is indeed lice... can they be eliminated with Prazi?
  24. I also notice there is a similar round oval thing on the tail of my pearl!!! It doesn't look green though (white). My camera is not good enough to take pics up that close... but they're pretty big considering the size of the goldie. Lupin, if my bacteria cycle is fine (ammonia - 0, nitrite - 0, nitrate - 10ppm), could all these sickness be caused by the low pH? But I WONDER if low pH is really the problem (they say water my area is really low in alkalinity)... why WASN'T this a problem when they were still in the 16" cube tank ? A few important notes and "X-factors" I have to mention: - The lady shop keeper who seems very knowledgeable about goldie says it could be my canister filter that is dirty and needs cleaning. She stresses to quickly clean them using tank water... not tap water. I did clean it yesterday. - My tank did not have lighting... could this be a problem? I never close the curtain so it's quite bright during the day, but could be slightly slightly dark when it's cloudy. But yesterday, my light arrived from post so I have been using the light now. - My tank has no "hiding place"... could stress be a cause to the sickness when I approach the tank and they freak out? I guess I should buy a big ornament/ big plastic plant so when I come near they can hide behind it. So if ammonia, nitrite and nitrate are not the problem, then it's the pH is the only cause???
  25. Hmmm... I can no longer edit the previous post, but I'd like to add... I read goldfish likes 7.6 pH, should I push to that level? Regarding feeding, what should I do to them? Should I just fast them (except for the bubble eye) since their appetite is low anyway, or should I entice the sick ones to eat? If yes, what is the best food? Meat? Green? Frozen? Pellets? Bloodworms? They seem to take to bloodworms, but should I feed them bloodworms everyday? Is duck weed a good idea...? But noone comes to the surface anymore... so it could be pointless?
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