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hey Kris... i dont know if this will be of any use at all, but here are some things i know about wens :)

There are a few types of goldies that will grow wens, the most common of which being our beloved orandas. You will also find that you can get what are called 'crowned pearlscales' these too have wens. Ranchus (or lionheads) will grow wens that can cover their entire face.

The most normal appearance of a wen is quite hard to describe, but it kinda looks like solid jelly placed on the head, or more likely all over the face :) here is a pic of my oranda casper (also after his wen trimming):

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White spots on the wen can indicate a problem (such as fungus), but it can also just show that the wen is growing. New head growth will look white, and is sometimes confused with fungus or bacterial infections (i have made this mistake before). The best way i find to tell if it is wen or not is again to look at the texture. fungus generally looks more 'fluffy' than new wen growth.

Foods that can help to promote wen growth are those high in protein such as plankton and bloodworms. You can also buy foods that will increace wen growth in the fish, i have found that Hikari oranda food works quite well :)

as for the wen trimming - i have had to do this to my beloved oranda casper. i suggest you only ever do this is the fish's health or wellbeing is at risk, i.e.: if the wen is covering the eye, This is only my method and im sure there are plenty of people who will have things to add etc :)

I found that the best hing to do is before you take the fish out of the tank, make sure that the water quality is absolutely perfect. then fill a tub with the tank water and place the fish into it. It should be deep enough so that the fish can swim upright in it, as i'm guessing most people will not use anaesthetics to sedate the fish and so you dont want them getting hurt when you have to let the back down for air...

Then take a sterile pair of nail scissors and have some iodine & tissue ready so that you can dab the 'cut away' areas after you are done. Once the fish is in the tub, pick him/her up, taking care not to damage any of their fins in the process, also take care to hold *firmly* to prevent them damaging themselves, but not too hard as you can end up rupturing or damaging their organs. Then take the sterile nail scissors and cut away the area covering the eye obviously making sure not to damage the actual eye in the process (i always have a light next to me so that i can see what i'm doing). The wen itself has a very odd texture when you cut it and it is more like cutting rubber i find, so make sure that the scissors are sharp.

once you are done removing the offending areas, *very carefully* dab the 'cut' bits with an iodine solution. Make sure that whilst he fish is out of the water you keep letting them back down for air.

I found that the cut areas should look as good as new within a few days, although at first they will have the 'new wen growth' whiteness where you cut and will turn to the normal wen colour within 7 days.

Make sure that your water quality is perfect afterwards (of course it should be anyway) as this is essential as it will prevent infection.

hope this has helped you in some way...


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hey Kris... i dont know if this will be of any use at all, but here are some things i know about wens :)

There are a few types of goldies that will grow wens, the most common of which being our beloved orandas. You will also find that you can get what are called 'crowned pearlscales' these too have wens. Ranchus (or lionheads) will grow wens that can cover their entire face.

The most normal appearance of a wen is quite hard to describe, but it kinda looks like solid jelly placed on the head, or more likely all over the face :) here is a pic of my oranda casper (also after his wen trimming):

acasper1.jpg

White spots on the wen can indicate a problem (such as fungus), but it can also just show that the wen is growing. New head growth will look white, and is sometimes confused with fungus or bacterial infections (i have made this mistake before). The best way i find to tell if it is wen or not is again to look at the texture. fungus generally looks more 'fluffy' than new wen growth.

Foods that can help to promote wen growth are those high in protein such as plankton and bloodworms. You can also buy foods that will increace wen growth in the fish, i have found that Hikari oranda food works quite well :)

as for the wen trimming - i have had to do this to my beloved oranda casper. i suggest you only ever do this is the fish's health or wellbeing is at risk, i.e.: if the wen is covering the eye, This is only my method and im sure there are plenty of people who will have things to add etc :)

I found that the best hing to do is before you take the fish out of the tank, make sure that the water quality is absolutely perfect. then fill a tub with the tank water and place the fish into it. It should be deep enough so that the fish can swim upright in it, as i'm guessing most people will not use anaesthetics to sedate the fish and so you dont want them getting hurt when you have to let the back down for air...

Then take a sterile pair of nail scissors and have some iodine & tissue ready so that you can dab the 'cut away' areas after you are done. Once the fish is in the tub, pick him/her up, taking care not to damage any of their fins in the process, also take care to hold *firmly* to prevent them damaging themselves, but not too hard as you can end up rupturing or damaging their organs. Then take the sterile nail scissors and cut away the area covering the eye obviously making sure not to damage the actual eye in the process (i always have a light next to me so that i can see what i'm doing). The wen itself has a very odd texture when you cut it and it is more like cutting rubber i find, so make sure that the scissors are sharp.

once you are done removing the offending areas, *very carefully* dab the 'cut' bits with an iodine solution. Make sure that whilst he fish is out of the water you keep letting them back down for air.

I found that the cut areas should look as good as new within a few days, although at first they will have the 'new wen growth' whiteness where you cut and will turn to the normal wen colour within 7 days.

Make sure that your water quality is perfect afterwards (of course it should be anyway) as this is essential as it will prevent infection.

hope this has helped you in some way...

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Thanks Tink and that was very informative. Thanks for taking the time to write it. Maybe Koko can take your post and put it on the info page so new comers can see it. It would be helpful

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no problem Kris, i know how nerve racking it can be - especially the trimming part :lol:

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I have a orange oranda and he hasn't even got a wen yet or will he ever get one ?

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Blue, it depends on genetics/diet/water quality and all that, whether he will get a wen and how big it will be. High protein foods (and greenwater ;) ) will help.

Tink, thats really helpful, especially about the wen feeling like rubber, now i know if i ever need to do it to have very sharp scissors.. i always thought it would be more like jelly :lol:

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Blue, if your oranda has nowen what-so-ever, then he is more likely to be a fantail. Many pet stores sell fantails as orandas, and vice versa :)

Cheers lucy :)

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Tink he has what looks like one but its not very big its a differant shade of orange next to the rest of him.

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Very informative Tink, a great introduction to Wen trimming - you make it sound sooo easy and not at all frightening! Can it be pinned please where other people can read :)

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Great info Tinks "D

Blue, your orange fish appears to be a fantail and if so, won't grow any wen. But he's beautiful none-the-less :)

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Shops can get it wrong 9 times out of 10 - especially when they can't differentiate between breeds. I was looking at what was meant to be a tank of ranchus and lionheads - but the fish were actually fantails and maybe one or two ryukins :o

And I agree - I think cyclops is wonderful just the way he is :heart

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Here are some more 'helpful pictures' since we are on the subject of Wen's and you wanted some documentation and pictures of growth and such....

One of them is a wen with a 'wen growth' white spot. Some call it a white bruise or fuzzy patch. But it shows up shortly before that area of it's wen grows. The little white dots on it's face are breeding stars.. not to be confused with the white patch on it's head. (RIP my precious BLUE)

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Another form of wen growth looks like little white pimples or whiteheads. Here is a picture of that on the same Blue Oranda. It's the little white pimple thing above it's eye in both pictures. Not on his cheeks... as they are breeding stars.

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For Barbra44's picture of her oranda. Which is a beauty:

What are breeding stars? (this might be a stupid question)

My baby oranda seems to have something that looks exactly like them on his wen. Is this because of wen growth or is it ich? I have posted a topic about this also.

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If your fish would have Ich its usually situated all over the body like this

IIck.jpg

picture taken from Koko's

Breeding stars are little white dots that pop out on the male's gills when its mating time

looks like this

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picture taken from this site

breeding stars

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Thanks for the clarification :) . Dotty lost the white spot and I am pretty sure it was just a growth mark because her wen got a little bigger after it went away.

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no, orandas are pretty common in most places :) they are usually sold quite small though :)

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I have two orandas, a red cap (Dandy) and a blue (Dabba). The wen on my red capped oranda is quite small but it's there and i'm quite happy with it the way it is. However, the blue oranda barely has one, if at all. What else could it be? i didn't think you could get blue fan tails.

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im pretty sure you can get blue fantails. it might also just be a young fish. it might still change colour or even grow a wen. It can take a while for wens to develop :)

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